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Hello comrades,

I was asked to write about gay rights in America. Or rather a friend asked me to write about my personal views on it, asked me to tell of my personal interactions with gays, as well as discuss any gay films I have seem, and anything regarding such things. Unlike many of my other pieces I doubt this will be many pages since I will simply be focusing on one particular issue. The rights of gays in America;

First and foremost I discuss my personal interactions with gays as she put it. I am straight so the laws that will be being discussed here personally will not affect me that are currently in place, yet they do concern us all as people. I am also an atheist so I am not clouded by the bigotry of theistic faiths as it pertains to the entire LGBT community. I have many friends who are homosexuals and I would not give them up for anything

Though in many of my other postings on Deviant art  I have went quite in depth about my views on gay marriage and gay rights this will be a piece that will focus solely on these issues. It will be filled with sarcasm and pieces of humor…

Okay here goes, for me personally I do not ever plan on being married, I personally find the needing of a piece of paper to prove ones love to be rather pointless, but these are my personal views. I am in full support of gay marriage, my view is simply that homosexual couples should have the right to be as miserable as heterosexual couples when it comes to marriage.

As far as my personal relations with gays, I am a guy who lives in New York City, I have known gays literally all of my life, either family members, friends, friends parents, friends relatives, teachers, etc. So I personally have never had any issues with gays. In the High School I went to, I was a member of the gay-straight alliances, I have went to gay protest in opposition to certain bigoted laws, I have been downtown at the gay parade to enjoy the festivities… and during Halloween the village is pretty much the most active part of the city.

I will discuss some of the arguments you hear against gay marriage….

- - - - It will erode the family…
I will just say that this theory only works against heterosexual people. There have been many studies performed by many universities and this is what they have found, I will first discuss the original studies then show the new studies which only supports it even more.

While studies have shown a disadvantage to single parent versus two parent households. As in a child in general is better developed in a two parent household versus a one parent home, when studying homosexual couples as far back as the eighties they have shown that there is fundamentally no difference between a heterosexual couple and a homosexual couple raising children.

In fact it shows that being raised by gay parents in fact a plus to children. Several studies have shown that children who are raised by homosexual couples are in general a lot more empathetic to different lifestyles than when raised by heterosexual couples. They also are a lot more accepting of not only different sexual lifestyles, but are in general more accepting of differences, it religious, societal, whatever.

Studies have shown [depending on if you are a conservative or more liberal this will either be a good thing or a bad thing for you] that kids who are raised in homosexual households are not so much as slaves to what societies view on gender roles.

For the most part females raised by lesbian couples are not so set into the "this is the way a woman behaves"… in fact they generally take more interest in what would be deemed as masculine activities and in general strive more and are more career oriented. As well as quick to not want to fit into what societies tell them a female should act like or be; males raised by lesbian couples are shown to be less aggressive in life. As well as have what may be seem as more affectionate and caring ways as it pertains to humans and the treatment of people in general.

When it comes to homosexual males ironically the gender roles "switch" per se, for some reason when raised by homosexual males, females generally have the same "gender ideas" as they would being raised in a heterosexual couple, while males are no different than when being raised by a lesbian couple. This is to say that for the most part a females idea and sexuality being brought up by a gay or straight couple shows the same for the female takes her relationship with her father to be that how she will find a future mate… who knew.

Though what the scientist can agree on, is that contrary to popular belief, a child raised by a homosexual couple has about the equal chance of being gay as being raised by a heterosexual couple.

- - - - Allowing gays to get married will destroy the idea of marriage…, adopt will make these kids to believe homosexual is natural and will sway their sexual orientation [discussed previously].

Okay maybe I am just the one guy in countless billions that have ever been on this planet that did not "choose" my heterosexuality. I have been around gays all of my life growing up in New York City and have never been like, oh he is gay, he is with a guy… maybe I want to be with a guy. It has always been, hey, he is with a guy, GREAT! More women for me!

I often laugh at my fellow heterosexuals who believe it is a choice. I have several friends who say they chose to be gay. To that I can only reply, okay then, if they chose to be gay then please right here, right now, choose to be gay… just make yourself stop liking females and only be attracted to men. Then I usually get the "I didn't choose, they are!"

We should differentiate between sexual orientation, and sexual acts. Sexual orientation is not a choice, sexual acts is. Now if you are a straight person and saying they are choosing to have sex with the same gender, then yes, I do not think any logically sound person would disagree that they are choosing to sleep with the same gender. If your premise is they are sleeping with the same gender because they "choose" to be attracted to that gender; that is where your premise fails.

The other part of that argument is, it is not "natural". Another fallacy argument on the part of the ignorant, as humans we judge what is "natural" in general by what it is we see in nature. Since hundreds of animals species engage in acts of homosexuality, it is therefore natural for same sex humans to engage in.

Sorry ignorant bigots, I know that you like to think humans are some big supreme being that is not connected to nature, but have you forgotten that humans are classified as an animal species? So… going that route we are just acting no different than our animal counterparts, be it heterosexual or homosexual, we just love sex! …well I do.

Though I am straight there is a part of this that seems familiar to me and should seem familiar to anyone with even an ounce of knowledge of U.S. history shall we discuss marriage in this country? Let us not forget that interracial marriage was said to destroy the idea of marriage. Before it was illegal for a white man or woman to marry any person of color, and people have been thrown in jail for this, people have been killed for being in relationships with whites.

So it is just changing the minority to fit the bigotry, we change person of color with gay, and change white to same sex and the argument is pretty much still the exact same. It is no more moral at that time, than it is now.

Though for the record I doubt that flamers could destroy marriage, I mean with a 54% divorce rate in America, I doubt they could do any worse.

- - - - Parent of a gay kid? Me.. no, well sort of :P

I have been on my own since the age of ten, well from around fifteen until the age of twenty one I had the great privilege to meet one of the most amazing women I will probably ever know. That was my girlfriend Jessica who I dated for five and the half years until she had an accident in 2007 and passed away.

Since I will be discussing religion later on, I will just say that Jessica was a very religious person, she went to church three times a week, her priest was a cool guy though, while I am an atheist he did not teach of all of that god hates this, he hates that, he more so taught messages of love. He never condemned gays and had many gays at the church, even after her death, he and I still talked about random things, he would not try and convert me but we did share views on humanity and helping people, as well as politics. He is a very old cool catholic Priest, the man they have at the church now that will take over when he either retires or dies is exactly the opposite. Anti-gay, thinks only way to heaven is through god, and all of the exact problems people in general have with religious bigoted ways.

After dating for a year Jessica told me about her friend John. Well John's parents were very strict Catholics that threw John out when he told them he was gay. I had known John through Jessica because her and he were very close.

I was sixteen, I had my own apartment, lived alone; well Jessica was sleeping over most nights, but it was a three bedroom apartment I was subletting from a friend of mines on the count of I was not old enough by New York standards to get a place by myself.

John was only fourteen years old when his father kicked him out of the house, and told him to never come back. Well all it took was Jessica telling me about what happen and I allowed John to move into my spare bedroom. Since I was making great money doing carpentry, landscaping, painting and many things with my hands I was not really about the money… or rather did not think of how much it cost to raise a 14 year old kid … but for the next five years I pretty much always raised John. I pretty much just asked the normal stuff from him, that he goes to school, and clean up after himself. Other than that I gave him money to buy clothes, made sure I kept the fridge and stuff stocked with all of his health crap.

During Parent Teacher Conferences I would go and say I was his older brother and that the parents could not get off work, that pretty much worked. I pretty much took john on as my little brother, made sure he kept school first, got good grades and all of that stuff. So while from 14- maybe 19 or 20 I can say that I have raised a gay kid :P so I did also see some of the stuff he went through in the city from what he told me about being picked on and all of that stuff. So I taught him to fight, and … after a few more times they knew not to try that bullying mess again.

So given the recent rash of gay kids killing themselves, I have thought of that possibly being John if I had not stepped in when his shitty parents through him out at 14 to fend for himself, though he is lucky he had a friend like Jessica.

- - - -Gay films and a straight guy? Oh no, it can't be!

Since I was told by the same friend who told me to write this to write gay films I have seen, since she knows I am quite secure with my sexuality and would be completely honest I do not really get the point of this section but okay.. here goes, I will do it in somewhat list form.

It should be said some of these films I have seen on my own, some I have seen with either John or my ex-girlfriend Jessica. I will break them down and since she also want me to put what I thought about each film … okay. I have not seen many "gay oriented or themed" films. Maybe seven or eight but here goes.

prayers for bobby, this was something I saw on my own after Jason had saw it earlier and asked me to check it out when it replayed. From what I can remember of it, it was about a gay kid, who came out to his mom, she did not accept it, and he eventually killed himself. She did not accept it because of her religion but after his death she becomes a sort of activist for gay rights… was a good film.

the laramie project, this was something I actually watched by "mistake" sort of. I was flicking through the channels and saw the "Laramie Project" and quite frankly did not know what it would be about, it was about a gay kid who was beat to death, tortured. Based on the real life death of Matthew Shepard.

A Girl Like Me: The Gwen Araujo Story… this was something that John and Jessica were watching and asked me to watch it with them, from what I get it was the true story of Gwen Araujo a transgender woman who was murdered by four guys who beat and choked her to death just because she was transgender.  

To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar… I think this is more of a comedy with Wesley snipes, Patrick Swayze and John Leguizamo they play cross dressers going across country. I do not know if this was gay themed but when my friend said gay themed films I have seen this popped in my head…so yea

holiday heart.. a film starring ving rhames who plays a cross dressing gay man, who takes in a drug addict and her daughter, mother gets killed he raises child with the mothers boyfriend .. hm, it is a good film.

Shortbus,. I only saw clips and pieces of this, it was recommended by another gay friend of mines Jason who said it discusses different sexualities and what they go through, and it was "based" in NYC, so I said what the hell and ordered it. I can't say either way if it was good or bad because I did not see much of it.

Brokeback Mountain, I never really seen it, I watched it with John and the ex girlfriend but I was mostly working at comp… though I got the gist of closeted ranch hands one ends up getting killed hm yea.

michael moore vs westboro baptist church, this was just a youtube video I seen that I found funny as hell. Michael moore would take a bus load of gays to the westboro baptist church events. I laughed at it all. The Westboro baptist church is that church that protest soldiers funerals, and pretty much anything that would give them attention.

The Birdcage.  A very funny film starring two of my favorite actors Robin Williams and Gene Hackman, about a guy who brings his fiancés parents to meet his gay father and his lover, Hackman's character plays a senator is just a funny movie

Rent – Oh no, a straight guy that will admit to watching rent. Lmao, yes I have seen rent several time, I find some of the musical notes to be quite powerful and greatly done.
--- random funny story about this, when watching this with my ex once, a friend stopped by and said you watched rent? That is a bit gay. I said what is gay about it, he said it is a "gay film". I asked has he seen it he said no but heard about it. I laugh at the certain "gay and straight" films and any straight that watched a gay film is gay, … wait, can I be a lesbian?

[When letting friend proof read this, she asked what songs did I find to be quite powerful?

I found the "will I?" song to be quite powerful because I have had many friend, gay and straight die of HIV and AIDS, I also have seen the way that some of their so called friends distanced themselves from them when finding out they had it.

I also found the "One Song Glory" to be another powerful one in the film, as well as the Seasons of Love for reasons you will see below when I post my usual quote regarding humans and love]

Philadelphia – an amazing film that I have seen many times, starring Tom Hanks and Denzel Washington about a gay guy who was fired from his work for basically being gay and having AID's though he ends up dying at the end, after winning his lawsuit against the company. I liked the film, I liked the way that Washington at the beginning is the typical religious heterosexual male with a dislike for gay and as the film goes on he opens his mind to see the importance of it all, that gay, straight, black or white we are all people.

Milk -  another great film recommended by a gay friend of mines who knows that I enjoy films based upon real events and based on important historical figures. I have heard of milk long before the film because NYC has High School named after him, that is for Gay, Lesbian, bisexual, transgender/transsexual kids. So I had heard of him before the film as well as knew some about him yet the film did make me also read books about him, one of his quotes that I enjoyed of his was

"And the young gay people in the Altoona, Pennsylvanias and the Richmond, Minnesotas who are coming out and hear Anita Bryant in television and her story. The only thing they have to look forward to is hope. And you have to give them hope. Hope for a better world, hope for a better tomorrow, hope for a better place to come to if the pressures at home are too great. Hope that all will be all right. Without hope, not only gays, but the blacks, the seniors, the handicapped, the us'es, the us'es will give up. And if you help elect to the central committee and other offices, more gay people, that gives a green light to all who feel disenfranchised, a green light to move forward. It means hope to a nation that has given up, because if a gay person makes it, the doors are open to everyone."

More so the "Without hope, not only gays, but the blacks, the seniors, the handicapped, the us'es, the us'es will give up. And if you help elect to the central committee and other offices, more gay people, that gives a green light to all who feel disenfranchised, a green light to move forward. It means hope to a nation that has given up, because if a gay person makes it, the doors are open to everyone"

The idea of everyone working together to ensure the the equality for all, for me that quote was much more than about gays, it was about, as he said, the us'es, all of the minorities, blacks, whites, gays, straights, basically everyone working together. [randomly thinks of the John Lennon, Imagine song]

The gay rights and the science fiction…
I often hear that this is not a civil rights issue, it is a "gay rights" issue. It is sort of like disregarding all science fiction as based on no science at all because of the word fiction in front of it.

You continuously miss the most important part, the important parts of gay rights is not gay, forget gay rights, it is about human rights. I am all for the equality of all people. I do not care if you are gay, straight, black, white, if there is something that everyone else gets, that you are not allowed to for nothing more than your race, gender, or sexual orientation then I too would support your rights as a person to have those rights.

You often hear, mostly conservatives and those on the right speak of the constitution not supporting gay rights, that it speaks nothing of gay rights, even the president, whom I did vote for and agree on many things, is not for gay marriage. Which bothered me since you would think a constitutional attorney would know the constitution.

If anyone read the constitution they would be familiar with the fourteenth amendment's "equal protection clause" which basically says that no state shall deny any group of people preference and must grant all the equal protection under the law.

So here is a question, in America marriage is a legal document, so in by saying because you are heterosexual, you can get married, but because you are homosexual you cannot is violating the equal protection clause because it is not applying the law equally to the citizens.

You may remember that George Bush tried and failed to make a constitutional amendment to the constitution which would say that marriage is strictly between a man and a woman. What this trick would have done is do an end run around the constitution because the states will then only have to grant marriages on basis of gender, and not simply the want of the act. With that the law would not have to be applied equally.

This clause has been used in the integration of public schools, in the getting minorities the right to vote and several other things where the law subverted one group simply because it did not fit with societies "norm". I am a bit vexed to not see more attorneys using this clause to try and legalize gay marriage, especially with its strong history of supporting civil rights.

We should not teach our kids that homosexual is right?
I often here this argument when debating people on gay marriage, I always pretty much say the same things, we should teach our kids that right is right, justice is right, equality is right, bigotry is wrong. We shall not teach our kids societal differences of rights and wrong when it is but matters of the heart.

As said above this is my quote as regards to love and teaching children.

We should teach our children that love has no boundaries; it is not settled in ones race, religion, gender, or whatever. We should not set limits of …you must love this way or it is not true love. We should never attempt to define what love is for another, for the fact is we do not nor shall we ever live in a country, nor world of social and moral absolutes. We should celebrate what love is, and most importantly what it is not, and what it is not, and will never be is an absolute to fit just one mold of being.

- - - -States shouldn't be allowed to force churches to marry gays.

I agree, though allowing gays to marry is not forcing churches to marry gays. For even in church laws and rules they can marry whomever they choose and also choose not to marry who they do not want.

Legalizing gay marriage is allowing gays to go to their state offices and get marriage licenses and go to the courts to get married. IF they find a church [if they are religious that is] that will marry them, great, yet if they do not then they can still be legally married in the eyes of the law. You do not have to have a wedding to be married. You certainly do not have to be married in a church in order for it to be official in any sense of the word.

I shall wrap this up now. I personally see no reason why gays should not be allowed all of the same rights as their heterosexual counterparts. The constitution supports it despite the continuous senators claiming the constitution says nothing about it. I have seen not one valid reason as to why homosexual couples should not be allow to get married. The same arguments used to not allow interracial couples to marry.

If I get any comments opposing gay marriage, or a reason mentioned why they do not support it, I may add it to this piece. Or even if you support gay marriage, and want me to discuss something else within this piece, just say so below and I will tell my views on it in this piece if it pertains to the topic.

As always comrades,
Let knowledge be that truth, which portrays humanity, condemns malevolence; that respects the differences in others while abandoning the hatred and misconceptions of the past.

[If I made any mistakes, do tell me, this was all done at once so I am sure that I may have made some minor mistakes]
I think the piece pretty much speaks for itself.

Hm, some things that may be of interest to people reading this…

A debate with an “ex gay” turned anti gay born again Christian

The Music I kept listening to while writing
[pretty much the same songs as I listened to when writing, “An atheist on theism + atheism” here [[link]

"Imagine" by John Lennon
"I wish I knew how it would feel to be free" by Nina Simone
"Man in the mirror" by Michael Jackson
"Me and bobby McGee" by Janis Joplin
"Earth song" by Michael Jackson
"Somewhere over the rainbow" by Israel "IZ" Kamakawiwo'ole

Do check out my gallery to find out a lot more about my politics, world view, read my poetry, learn about me, etc.

Good day comrades
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zane1193 Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2014
Atheos,I must congratulate you on yet another piece of "feel good" Liberal Propaganda,this is truly Kool-Aid Poisoning at it's finest and impressionable high schoolers and stoner college kids are drinking it up!

You've managed to make a subgroup of people who engage in deviant,unnatural sex acts seem normal and completely deny that their actions destroy traditional,morals,values and culture,brilliant!

Of course,you don't mention the increased risk of STD's and drug use among those whose live this DEATHSTYLE,but why let the truth stand in your way?

Likewise,you don't mention the complete erosion of normal marriage and the fact that gay marriage opens the door for all sorts of atrocities such as legal beastiality,but that was your goal all along.
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Ask you a question sir, are we a nation ruled by the bible or the constitution?

You can believe them unnatural, deviancy, whatever you like, your views of course are not rule of law - - and thus what constitutional argument can you make for denying them their rights? Like you said, sir... you care about America.. so what in the constitutional argument can you make?

Does the increased STD rates and drug use means they have no constitutional rights? hm... Though, STD rates in the gay community in the gay community has been decreasing and the newest or fastest growing pace is not homosexuals but black and latino teens..

funny, you equate rights with just marriage, I mentioned several things other than marriage and you focus just on that.. interesting... you do know there are several states that have no laws against bestiality and yet have laws banning gay marriage hm ...
zane1193 Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2014
Right now we're ruled by neither,the Nation is firmly in Satan and the Libs grasp.

Awww...It's nice of you to allow me my views,...for now.  Atheos,there's already a case in court for a man to marry his HORSE,using the same argument the LGBTer's have for gay marriage.


As for the constitution,are you honestly going to say the founding fathers supported homosexuality?

They didn't give their own wives the right to vote,slaves had no rights and Indians were seen as vermin,yet you'll argue that they would have stood up for the 'rights" of perverts,UNBELIEVEABLE!

No Atheos,they can have the freedom to kill themselves if they want to,that's less Obama supporters after all.

Most people wouldn't stoop so low as to have sex with critters,so I can understand why there might not be a law against it.
fiskefyren Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2014
Rather Satan than God, Satan only killed 10 people where God has killed over 2 millions in the Bible, not counting the cities he destroy and the flood. You sir, are an idiot.
-with love from an Agnostic 
zane1193 Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2014
Sigh...Kool-Aid Poisoning.
zane1193 Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014
fiskefyren has "bravely" blocked me as most Kool-Aid Poisoned Libs do.

When a Lib says "Educate Yourself" they mean smoke 2 joints and have UNSAFE SEX with multiple strangers in a Gay Bath House,sorry,I'll have to pass.
fiskefyren Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2014
I'm vegan, I only drink water. Maybe you should go take an education rather than being a dumbass? :)
-with love from an Agnostic
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
So you say America this and that, and when I say I take a view of the world as Paine you say that is a liberal slant... in America the rule of law is governed by the constitution... now if you are so pro america as you claimed, to which in the constitution can you utilize to take away the rights of a citizen based on their sexual orientation?

A horse cannot consent to marriage, so saying using the same argument as two humans who are able to consent uses the illogical slippery slope argument.

Quite the contrary, yet we are not governed by the founding fathers, they also did not approve of ending slavery since they saw no need to do it - -we are the ever progression of the constitution through amendments which stay in line with its core issues - - thus, sir, can you utilize to which amendment you would use to deny these citizens their rights?

Quite the contrary, I said the constitution, not the founding fathers, you brought them up .. not me.. so please sir, what amendment in the constitution as it is today would you utilize to say they should not be married?
zane1193 Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2014
If the founding fathers had foreseen the Libs rise to power,they'd have written the Constitution far differently.

You and I both know why.

Do you deny there is a court case about this horse/human marriage now?

The founding fathers WROTE the constitution Atheos,who would know what it means better than those who wrote it?

When they said all men are created equal they meant all WHITE MEN,I don't agree with that but I must acknowledge the TRUTH.

Likewise only men that owned property could vote,that kept the street trash from having a voice,and you can't deny that either.

You and your ilk are manipulating the constitution for your own twisted views and you know the founding fathers would have NEVER agreed to most of what you're doing.
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay, had they foreseen, so since they did not foresee, what amendment in the constitution could you utilize the take away the rights of people?

So they could not foresee liberalism... but saw slavery and did nothing to stop it? hm

Currently I know of no case, I do know a case in 2008 a man tried to marry his horse, that case was thrown out - -if there is a more recent one, then I expect that one to be thrown out as well.

Yes, they wrote the constitution, and in their genius they kept slavery legal.. they did not give women the right to vote, they placed no premise that citizens are to be treated equally according to the law hm .. so far from perfect beings.

But as you JUST SAID, sir, they wrote the constitution and placed nothing in it that would allow for you to take away rights based on sexual orientation.. so .. what amendment can you utilize to say gays should not have similar rights to your own?

Yes, I am aware of that.. yet that does not change the fact .. unless you are saying that we should  go back to their truth of white men?...

- - only white men that owned property since of course there were blacks that did own property and were still not allowed to vote, sir.

lmao, yes, sir, saying that we should not discriminate based on sexual orientation is manipulating the constitution... hm just as that very same amendment and clause was used to say you could not discriminate based on race.. and that very same amendment was used to say you could not discriminate based on gender... but it is  the left manipulating it .. bwhahahaha bwhahaha bwhahaha

Maestro Drivel, you are entertaining
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