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Hello comrades,

I was asked to write about gay rights in America. Or rather a friend asked me to write about my personal views on it, asked me to tell of my personal interactions with gays, as well as discuss any gay films I have seem, and anything regarding such things. Unlike many of my other pieces I doubt this will be many pages since I will simply be focusing on one particular issue. The rights of gays in America;

First and foremost I discuss my personal interactions with gays as she put it. I am straight so the laws that will be being discussed here personally will not affect me that are currently in place, yet they do concern us all as people. I am also an atheist so I am not clouded by the bigotry of theistic faiths as it pertains to the entire LGBT community. I have many friends who are homosexuals and I would not give them up for anything

Though in many of my other postings on Deviant art  I have went quite in depth about my views on gay marriage and gay rights this will be a piece that will focus solely on these issues. It will be filled with sarcasm and pieces of humor…

Okay here goes, for me personally I do not ever plan on being married, I personally find the needing of a piece of paper to prove ones love to be rather pointless, but these are my personal views. I am in full support of gay marriage, my view is simply that homosexual couples should have the right to be as miserable as heterosexual couples when it comes to marriage.

As far as my personal relations with gays, I am a guy who lives in New York City, I have known gays literally all of my life, either family members, friends, friends parents, friends relatives, teachers, etc. So I personally have never had any issues with gays. In the High School I went to, I was a member of the gay-straight alliances, I have went to gay protest in opposition to certain bigoted laws, I have been downtown at the gay parade to enjoy the festivities… and during Halloween the village is pretty much the most active part of the city.

I will discuss some of the arguments you hear against gay marriage….

- - - - It will erode the family…
I will just say that this theory only works against heterosexual people. There have been many studies performed by many universities and this is what they have found, I will first discuss the original studies then show the new studies which only supports it even more.

While studies have shown a disadvantage to single parent versus two parent households. As in a child in general is better developed in a two parent household versus a one parent home, when studying homosexual couples as far back as the eighties they have shown that there is fundamentally no difference between a heterosexual couple and a homosexual couple raising children.

In fact it shows that being raised by gay parents in fact a plus to children. Several studies have shown that children who are raised by homosexual couples are in general a lot more empathetic to different lifestyles than when raised by heterosexual couples. They also are a lot more accepting of not only different sexual lifestyles, but are in general more accepting of differences, it religious, societal, whatever.

Studies have shown [depending on if you are a conservative or more liberal this will either be a good thing or a bad thing for you] that kids who are raised in homosexual households are not so much as slaves to what societies view on gender roles.

For the most part females raised by lesbian couples are not so set into the "this is the way a woman behaves"… in fact they generally take more interest in what would be deemed as masculine activities and in general strive more and are more career oriented. As well as quick to not want to fit into what societies tell them a female should act like or be; males raised by lesbian couples are shown to be less aggressive in life. As well as have what may be seem as more affectionate and caring ways as it pertains to humans and the treatment of people in general.

When it comes to homosexual males ironically the gender roles "switch" per se, for some reason when raised by homosexual males, females generally have the same "gender ideas" as they would being raised in a heterosexual couple, while males are no different than when being raised by a lesbian couple. This is to say that for the most part a females idea and sexuality being brought up by a gay or straight couple shows the same for the female takes her relationship with her father to be that how she will find a future mate… who knew.

Though what the scientist can agree on, is that contrary to popular belief, a child raised by a homosexual couple has about the equal chance of being gay as being raised by a heterosexual couple.


- - - - Allowing gays to get married will destroy the idea of marriage…, adopt will make these kids to believe homosexual is natural and will sway their sexual orientation [discussed previously].

Okay maybe I am just the one guy in countless billions that have ever been on this planet that did not "choose" my heterosexuality. I have been around gays all of my life growing up in New York City and have never been like, oh he is gay, he is with a guy… maybe I want to be with a guy. It has always been, hey, he is with a guy, GREAT! More women for me!

I often laugh at my fellow heterosexuals who believe it is a choice. I have several friends who say they chose to be gay. To that I can only reply, okay then, if they chose to be gay then please right here, right now, choose to be gay… just make yourself stop liking females and only be attracted to men. Then I usually get the "I didn't choose, they are!"

We should differentiate between sexual orientation, and sexual acts. Sexual orientation is not a choice, sexual acts is. Now if you are a straight person and saying they are choosing to have sex with the same gender, then yes, I do not think any logically sound person would disagree that they are choosing to sleep with the same gender. If your premise is they are sleeping with the same gender because they "choose" to be attracted to that gender; that is where your premise fails.

The other part of that argument is, it is not "natural". Another fallacy argument on the part of the ignorant, as humans we judge what is "natural" in general by what it is we see in nature. Since hundreds of animals species engage in acts of homosexuality, it is therefore natural for same sex humans to engage in.

Sorry ignorant bigots, I know that you like to think humans are some big supreme being that is not connected to nature, but have you forgotten that humans are classified as an animal species? So… going that route we are just acting no different than our animal counterparts, be it heterosexual or homosexual, we just love sex! …well I do.

Though I am straight there is a part of this that seems familiar to me and should seem familiar to anyone with even an ounce of knowledge of U.S. history shall we discuss marriage in this country? Let us not forget that interracial marriage was said to destroy the idea of marriage. Before it was illegal for a white man or woman to marry any person of color, and people have been thrown in jail for this, people have been killed for being in relationships with whites.

So it is just changing the minority to fit the bigotry, we change person of color with gay, and change white to same sex and the argument is pretty much still the exact same. It is no more moral at that time, than it is now.

Though for the record I doubt that flamers could destroy marriage, I mean with a 54% divorce rate in America, I doubt they could do any worse.


- - - - Parent of a gay kid? Me.. no, well sort of :P

I have been on my own since the age of ten, well from around fifteen until the age of twenty one I had the great privilege to meet one of the most amazing women I will probably ever know. That was my girlfriend Jessica who I dated for five and the half years until she had an accident in 2007 and passed away.

Since I will be discussing religion later on, I will just say that Jessica was a very religious person, she went to church three times a week, her priest was a cool guy though, while I am an atheist he did not teach of all of that god hates this, he hates that, he more so taught messages of love. He never condemned gays and had many gays at the church, even after her death, he and I still talked about random things, he would not try and convert me but we did share views on humanity and helping people, as well as politics. He is a very old cool catholic Priest, the man they have at the church now that will take over when he either retires or dies is exactly the opposite. Anti-gay, thinks only way to heaven is through god, and all of the exact problems people in general have with religious bigoted ways.

After dating for a year Jessica told me about her friend John. Well John's parents were very strict Catholics that threw John out when he told them he was gay. I had known John through Jessica because her and he were very close.

I was sixteen, I had my own apartment, lived alone; well Jessica was sleeping over most nights, but it was a three bedroom apartment I was subletting from a friend of mines on the count of I was not old enough by New York standards to get a place by myself.

John was only fourteen years old when his father kicked him out of the house, and told him to never come back. Well all it took was Jessica telling me about what happen and I allowed John to move into my spare bedroom. Since I was making great money doing carpentry, landscaping, painting and many things with my hands I was not really about the money… or rather did not think of how much it cost to raise a 14 year old kid … but for the next five years I pretty much always raised John. I pretty much just asked the normal stuff from him, that he goes to school, and clean up after himself. Other than that I gave him money to buy clothes, made sure I kept the fridge and stuff stocked with all of his health crap.

During Parent Teacher Conferences I would go and say I was his older brother and that the parents could not get off work, that pretty much worked. I pretty much took john on as my little brother, made sure he kept school first, got good grades and all of that stuff. So while from 14- maybe 19 or 20 I can say that I have raised a gay kid :P so I did also see some of the stuff he went through in the city from what he told me about being picked on and all of that stuff. So I taught him to fight, and … after a few more times they knew not to try that bullying mess again.

So given the recent rash of gay kids killing themselves, I have thought of that possibly being John if I had not stepped in when his shitty parents through him out at 14 to fend for himself, though he is lucky he had a friend like Jessica.


- - - -Gay films and a straight guy? Oh no, it can't be!

Since I was told by the same friend who told me to write this to write gay films I have seen, since she knows I am quite secure with my sexuality and would be completely honest I do not really get the point of this section but okay.. here goes, I will do it in somewhat list form.

It should be said some of these films I have seen on my own, some I have seen with either John or my ex-girlfriend Jessica. I will break them down and since she also want me to put what I thought about each film … okay. I have not seen many "gay oriented or themed" films. Maybe seven or eight but here goes.

prayers for bobby, this was something I saw on my own after Jason had saw it earlier and asked me to check it out when it replayed. From what I can remember of it, it was about a gay kid, who came out to his mom, she did not accept it, and he eventually killed himself. She did not accept it because of her religion but after his death she becomes a sort of activist for gay rights… was a good film.

the laramie project, this was something I actually watched by "mistake" sort of. I was flicking through the channels and saw the "Laramie Project" and quite frankly did not know what it would be about, it was about a gay kid who was beat to death, tortured. Based on the real life death of Matthew Shepard.

A Girl Like Me: The Gwen Araujo Story… this was something that John and Jessica were watching and asked me to watch it with them, from what I get it was the true story of Gwen Araujo a transgender woman who was murdered by four guys who beat and choked her to death just because she was transgender.  

To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar… I think this is more of a comedy with Wesley snipes, Patrick Swayze and John Leguizamo they play cross dressers going across country. I do not know if this was gay themed but when my friend said gay themed films I have seen this popped in my head…so yea

holiday heart.. a film starring ving rhames who plays a cross dressing gay man, who takes in a drug addict and her daughter, mother gets killed he raises child with the mothers boyfriend .. hm, it is a good film.

Shortbus,. I only saw clips and pieces of this, it was recommended by another gay friend of mines Jason who said it discusses different sexualities and what they go through, and it was "based" in NYC, so I said what the hell and ordered it. I can't say either way if it was good or bad because I did not see much of it.

Brokeback Mountain, I never really seen it, I watched it with John and the ex girlfriend but I was mostly working at comp… though I got the gist of closeted ranch hands one ends up getting killed hm yea.

michael moore vs westboro baptist church, this was just a youtube video I seen that I found funny as hell. Michael moore would take a bus load of gays to the westboro baptist church events. I laughed at it all. The Westboro baptist church is that church that protest soldiers funerals, and pretty much anything that would give them attention.

The Birdcage.  A very funny film starring two of my favorite actors Robin Williams and Gene Hackman, about a guy who brings his fiancés parents to meet his gay father and his lover, Hackman's character plays a senator ..it is just a funny movie

Rent – Oh no, a straight guy that will admit to watching rent. Lmao, yes I have seen rent several time, I find some of the musical notes to be quite powerful and greatly done.
--- random funny story about this, when watching this with my ex once, a friend stopped by and said you watched rent? That is a bit gay. I said what is gay about it, he said it is a "gay film". I asked has he seen it he said no but heard about it. I laugh at the certain "gay and straight" films and any straight that watched a gay film is gay, … wait, can I be a lesbian?

[When letting friend proof read this, she asked what songs did I find to be quite powerful?

I found the "will I?" song to be quite powerful because I have had many friend, gay and straight die of HIV and AIDS, I also have seen the way that some of their so called friends distanced themselves from them when finding out they had it.

I also found the "One Song Glory" to be another powerful one in the film, as well as the Seasons of Love for reasons you will see below when I post my usual quote regarding humans and love]


Philadelphia – an amazing film that I have seen many times, starring Tom Hanks and Denzel Washington about a gay guy who was fired from his work for basically being gay and having AID's though he ends up dying at the end, after winning his lawsuit against the company. I liked the film, I liked the way that Washington at the beginning is the typical religious heterosexual male with a dislike for gay and as the film goes on he opens his mind to see the importance of it all, that gay, straight, black or white we are all people.

Milk -  another great film recommended by a gay friend of mines who knows that I enjoy films based upon real events and based on important historical figures. I have heard of milk long before the film because NYC has High School named after him, that is for Gay, Lesbian, bisexual, transgender/transsexual kids. So I had heard of him before the film as well as knew some about him yet the film did make me also read books about him, one of his quotes that I enjoyed of his was

"And the young gay people in the Altoona, Pennsylvanias and the Richmond, Minnesotas who are coming out and hear Anita Bryant in television and her story. The only thing they have to look forward to is hope. And you have to give them hope. Hope for a better world, hope for a better tomorrow, hope for a better place to come to if the pressures at home are too great. Hope that all will be all right. Without hope, not only gays, but the blacks, the seniors, the handicapped, the us'es, the us'es will give up. And if you help elect to the central committee and other offices, more gay people, that gives a green light to all who feel disenfranchised, a green light to move forward. It means hope to a nation that has given up, because if a gay person makes it, the doors are open to everyone."

More so the "Without hope, not only gays, but the blacks, the seniors, the handicapped, the us'es, the us'es will give up. And if you help elect to the central committee and other offices, more gay people, that gives a green light to all who feel disenfranchised, a green light to move forward. It means hope to a nation that has given up, because if a gay person makes it, the doors are open to everyone"

The idea of everyone working together to ensure the the equality for all, for me that quote was much more than about gays, it was about, as he said, the us'es, all of the minorities, blacks, whites, gays, straights, basically everyone working together. [randomly thinks of the John Lennon, Imagine song]



The gay rights and the science fiction…
I often hear that this is not a civil rights issue, it is a "gay rights" issue. It is sort of like disregarding all science fiction as based on no science at all because of the word fiction in front of it.

You continuously miss the most important part, the important parts of gay rights is not gay, forget gay rights, it is about human rights. I am all for the equality of all people. I do not care if you are gay, straight, black, white, if there is something that everyone else gets, that you are not allowed to for nothing more than your race, gender, or sexual orientation then I too would support your rights as a person to have those rights.

You often hear, mostly conservatives and those on the right speak of the constitution not supporting gay rights, that it speaks nothing of gay rights, even the president, whom I did vote for and agree on many things, is not for gay marriage. Which bothered me since you would think a constitutional attorney would know the constitution.

If anyone read the constitution they would be familiar with the fourteenth amendment's "equal protection clause" which basically says that no state shall deny any group of people preference and must grant all the equal protection under the law.

So here is a question, in America marriage is a legal document, so in by saying because you are heterosexual, you can get married, but because you are homosexual you cannot is violating the equal protection clause because it is not applying the law equally to the citizens.

You may remember that George Bush tried and failed to make a constitutional amendment to the constitution which would say that marriage is strictly between a man and a woman. What this trick would have done is do an end run around the constitution because the states will then only have to grant marriages on basis of gender, and not simply the want of the act. With that the law would not have to be applied equally.

This clause has been used in the integration of public schools, in the getting minorities the right to vote and several other things where the law subverted one group simply because it did not fit with societies "norm". I am a bit vexed to not see more attorneys using this clause to try and legalize gay marriage, especially with its strong history of supporting civil rights.


We should not teach our kids that homosexual is right?
I often here this argument when debating people on gay marriage, I always pretty much say the same things, we should teach our kids that right is right, justice is right, equality is right, bigotry is wrong. We shall not teach our kids societal differences of rights and wrong when it is but matters of the heart.

As said above this is my quote as regards to love and teaching children.

We should teach our children that love has no boundaries; it is not settled in ones race, religion, gender, or whatever. We should not set limits of …you must love this way or it is not true love. We should never attempt to define what love is for another, for the fact is we do not nor shall we ever live in a country, nor world of social and moral absolutes. We should celebrate what love is, and most importantly what it is not, and what it is not, and will never be is an absolute to fit just one mold of being.


- - - -States shouldn't be allowed to force churches to marry gays.

I agree, though allowing gays to marry is not forcing churches to marry gays. For even in church laws and rules they can marry whomever they choose and also choose not to marry who they do not want.

Legalizing gay marriage is allowing gays to go to their state offices and get marriage licenses and go to the courts to get married. IF they find a church [if they are religious that is] that will marry them, great, yet if they do not then they can still be legally married in the eyes of the law. You do not have to have a wedding to be married. You certainly do not have to be married in a church in order for it to be official in any sense of the word.

I shall wrap this up now. I personally see no reason why gays should not be allowed all of the same rights as their heterosexual counterparts. The constitution supports it despite the continuous senators claiming the constitution says nothing about it. I have seen not one valid reason as to why homosexual couples should not be allow to get married. The same arguments used to not allow interracial couples to marry.

If I get any comments opposing gay marriage, or a reason mentioned why they do not support it, I may add it to this piece. Or even if you support gay marriage, and want me to discuss something else within this piece, just say so below and I will tell my views on it in this piece if it pertains to the topic.


As always comrades,
Let knowledge be that truth, which portrays humanity, condemns malevolence; that respects the differences in others while abandoning the hatred and misconceptions of the past.
-Emanon


[If I made any mistakes, do tell me, this was all done at once so I am sure that I may have made some minor mistakes]
I think the piece pretty much speaks for itself.

Hm, some things that may be of interest to people reading this…

A debate with an “ex gay” turned anti gay born again Christian
[link]


The Music I kept listening to while writing
[pretty much the same songs as I listened to when writing, “An atheist on theism + atheism” here [[link]

"Imagine" by John Lennon
"I wish I knew how it would feel to be free" by Nina Simone
"Man in the mirror" by Michael Jackson
"Me and bobby McGee" by Janis Joplin
"Earth song" by Michael Jackson
"Somewhere over the rainbow" by Israel "IZ" Kamakawiwo'ole


Do check out my gallery to find out a lot more about my politics, world view, read my poetry, learn about me, etc.

Good day comrades
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zane1193 Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2014
Atheos,I must congratulate you on yet another piece of "feel good" Liberal Propaganda,this is truly Kool-Aid Poisoning at it's finest and impressionable high schoolers and stoner college kids are drinking it up!

You've managed to make a subgroup of people who engage in deviant,unnatural sex acts seem normal and completely deny that their actions destroy traditional,morals,values and culture,brilliant!

Of course,you don't mention the increased risk of STD's and drug use among those whose live this DEATHSTYLE,but why let the truth stand in your way?

Likewise,you don't mention the complete erosion of normal marriage and the fact that gay marriage opens the door for all sorts of atrocities such as legal beastiality,but that was your goal all along.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Ask you a question sir, are we a nation ruled by the bible or the constitution?

You can believe them unnatural, deviancy, whatever you like, your views of course are not rule of law - - and thus what constitutional argument can you make for denying them their rights? Like you said, sir... you care about America.. so what in the constitutional argument can you make?

Does the increased STD rates and drug use means they have no constitutional rights? hm... Though, STD rates in the gay community in the gay community has been decreasing and the newest or fastest growing pace is not homosexuals but black and latino teens..

funny, you equate rights with just marriage, I mentioned several things other than marriage and you focus just on that.. interesting... you do know there are several states that have no laws against bestiality and yet have laws banning gay marriage hm ...
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zane1193 Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2014
Right now we're ruled by neither,the Nation is firmly in Satan and the Libs grasp.

Awww...It's nice of you to allow me my views,...for now.  Atheos,there's already a case in court for a man to marry his HORSE,using the same argument the LGBTer's have for gay marriage.

DO YOU APPROVE OF THIS?

As for the constitution,are you honestly going to say the founding fathers supported homosexuality?

They didn't give their own wives the right to vote,slaves had no rights and Indians were seen as vermin,yet you'll argue that they would have stood up for the 'rights" of perverts,UNBELIEVEABLE!

No Atheos,they can have the freedom to kill themselves if they want to,that's less Obama supporters after all.

Most people wouldn't stoop so low as to have sex with critters,so I can understand why there might not be a law against it.
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fiskefyren Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2014
Rather Satan than God, Satan only killed 10 people where God has killed over 2 millions in the Bible, not counting the cities he destroy and the flood. You sir, are an idiot.
-with love from an Agnostic 
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zane1193 Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2014
Sigh...Kool-Aid Poisoning.
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zane1193 Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014
fiskefyren has "bravely" blocked me as most Kool-Aid Poisoned Libs do.

When a Lib says "Educate Yourself" they mean smoke 2 joints and have UNSAFE SEX with multiple strangers in a Gay Bath House,sorry,I'll have to pass.
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fiskefyren Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2014
I'm vegan, I only drink water. Maybe you should go take an education rather than being a dumbass? :)
-with love from an Agnostic
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
So you say America this and that, and when I say I take a view of the world as Paine you say that is a liberal slant... in America the rule of law is governed by the constitution... now if you are so pro america as you claimed, to which in the constitution can you utilize to take away the rights of a citizen based on their sexual orientation?

A horse cannot consent to marriage, so saying using the same argument as two humans who are able to consent uses the illogical slippery slope argument.

Quite the contrary, yet we are not governed by the founding fathers, they also did not approve of ending slavery since they saw no need to do it - -we are the ever progression of the constitution through amendments which stay in line with its core issues - - thus, sir, can you utilize to which amendment you would use to deny these citizens their rights?

Quite the contrary, I said the constitution, not the founding fathers, you brought them up .. not me.. so please sir, what amendment in the constitution as it is today would you utilize to say they should not be married?
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zane1193 Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2014
If the founding fathers had foreseen the Libs rise to power,they'd have written the Constitution far differently.

You and I both know why.

Do you deny there is a court case about this horse/human marriage now?

The founding fathers WROTE the constitution Atheos,who would know what it means better than those who wrote it?

When they said all men are created equal they meant all WHITE MEN,I don't agree with that but I must acknowledge the TRUTH.

Likewise only men that owned property could vote,that kept the street trash from having a voice,and you can't deny that either.

You and your ilk are manipulating the constitution for your own twisted views and you know the founding fathers would have NEVER agreed to most of what you're doing.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay, had they foreseen, so since they did not foresee, what amendment in the constitution could you utilize the take away the rights of people?

So they could not foresee liberalism... but saw slavery and did nothing to stop it? hm

Currently I know of no case, I do know a case in 2008 a man tried to marry his horse, that case was thrown out - -if there is a more recent one, then I expect that one to be thrown out as well.

Yes, they wrote the constitution, and in their genius they kept slavery legal.. they did not give women the right to vote, they placed no premise that citizens are to be treated equally according to the law hm .. so far from perfect beings.

But as you JUST SAID, sir, they wrote the constitution and placed nothing in it that would allow for you to take away rights based on sexual orientation.. so .. what amendment can you utilize to say gays should not have similar rights to your own?


Yes, I am aware of that.. yet that does not change the fact .. unless you are saying that we should  go back to their truth of white men?...

- - only white men that owned property since of course there were blacks that did own property and were still not allowed to vote, sir.

lmao, yes, sir, saying that we should not discriminate based on sexual orientation is manipulating the constitution... hm just as that very same amendment and clause was used to say you could not discriminate based on race.. and that very same amendment was used to say you could not discriminate based on gender... but it is  the left manipulating it .. bwhahahaha bwhahaha bwhahaha

Maestro Drivel, you are entertaining
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zane1193 Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2014
HOLY CRAP!!! You ADMITTED IT!
You actually admitted it!
Now perhaps we can have a true discussion!

Atheos,your people use technically to twist the founding fathers views,we all know what they wanted,they just couldn't conceive of the Libs EVIL.

I did say I did NOT agree with all their views.

Xiao-Fury has info regarding the sick,twisted Lib who wants to marry his horse.

Atheos,what happened to homosexuals in the USA and Europe during that time period? Were they accepted?

I've already answered this and you damn well know it. This ploy of yours was to be expected of course.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually I said the constitution from the beginning, it was you who brought up the founding fathers...

Yet we are governed not by the founder's views, but by the constitution of which several of the founders of course were very much in favor of slavery should we bring it back since that is what a founder believed in? hm  lmao evil liberal fun times, sir.

Thus it is not about THEIR VIEWS, I asked about the constitution as it stands, to which in that document can you utilize an argument and legal precedent to say that gays should not have similar rights to you?

... that is nice, but that does not change anything with respect to my question to you, why dodge, sir?

Nope, in fact Washington kicked out several homosexuals out of the military when it was found they were homosexuals - - and I would imagine you would support such a venture - - I mean a freedom loving man like yourself care not if they can do the job.. but if they are gay, kick em out!!!

Aw, "damn well know it" are we getting angry, little zanny?
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backup12051997 Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2013
Amen for this essay's description!

have the 'prayers for bobby', and just download michael moore vs WBC(you no kidding on how hilarious this video is). Also, didn't see you raising a child thingy coming.

Now what most people didn't realize, What the real purpose of marriage? you mention what I might overlook, I'll want talk about that together with you!

NB: sounds the songs indeed awesome(mine father ever listen to one of John Lenon's song)
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks for the fave and compliment. I had not realized that it has been over 3 years since I posted this..

Of course he was not my child.. just a friend who was kicked out for being gay and stayed for me for years and is a great guy today living with his long time spouse.

I have always looked at marriage as a general conscript.. the purpose of it varies through cultural, religious and societal acceptance.. in the bible and in cultures for thousands of years marriage was most often used as a sort of binding of relationships and tribes.. in general love had very little to do with it since many of these marriages were arranged... now in my definition of marriage is two individuals that love each other pledging themselves to each other.. such things as love knows no gender and as such attaching a gender to something such as love when it comes to marriage seems rather dumb... then you get the argument that it is for starting a family... family is not always blood and is often of our own choosing, ... gays may either using a surrogate or by adoption can raise a family ...

but I of course welcome any discussion of marriage or whatever..

Which John Lennon song?
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backup12051997 Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2013
sounds like plenty of people forgot this, I say.

I know that!

well, I agree on your view on marriage, because I witness many divorce at the Indonesian media.(and I save your view.)

I forgot which one unfortunately. ^^;
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
*though I did make one mistake in my comment, I said two people.. that should be stated that I am not saying it must be limited to two since I am in favor of legalizing polygamy as well..

America has around a 54% divorce rate when the economy is healthy.. ironically when the economy is weaker divorces go down since the people cannot afford the cost of a divorce.. bwhaha
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backup12051997 Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2013
At Indonesia, people still not have any thought about polygamy

that statement made my day!
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I understand to make it legal will be a major headache  since..what if one wife wants a divorce? how would you divide the property in relation to other spouses .. so figuring that out will be a headache... but I think it should be legalized
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backup12051997 Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2013
what I warn to everyone is one: watch out for the risk!

In mine opinion: go ahead legalize it, as long as everyone knows how to handle the problem unintentionally pops out of the legalization in question

I not give a damn on polygamy, but I give damn about 'equality' and 'rape' thingy('give damn' as in care about it and hate the oppositions depends on how severe the opposition do some 'cheating')
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, the risks will be hard to implement, as is the governmental assistance for large families.. we do not of course as many polygamist mormons have done which is have many kids taking in tens of thousands of dollars per month for their kids...

Yes, and before they legalize it, they would want to get the law and rules in order to be able to deal with divorces which would be the biggest legal headache.
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May212011 Featured By Owner May 21, 2012
I don't think you understand just what exactly is going on in the world, and how serious it is. There is information you don't know about that the media tries everyday to hide. They don't want you to know about this, because it's truth and fact that has been proven, watch this video with an open mind, and you'll see what I mean.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner May 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I must ask you truly and I mean this with the utmost respect, I have checked your page and wondering is there a reason you are spamming many pages with this link? ... It may have behooved or proven more useful if you posted the link on the conspiracies post I did, but with respect, I see nothing in that video that has to do with gay rights in America.

Have a good day, please in the future if you could not spam my page with copy and paste comments that you have left on many posts it would be greatly appreciated.

Good day to you.
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May212011 Featured By Owner May 21, 2012
Did you even watch the video from the beginning to end? And I'm trying to spread the word about this, because issues like this are always avoided on the news! So I'm trying to let everyone know what's going on. It's not spam, if you'd actually watch it, you'd see it for what it is.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner May 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes I did watch the video and read the info chart, sorry but I do not buy into it. Especially since the stated aims are not happening, “reducing U.S. fertility via postponement of marriage,” … yet more babies are being born than ever, we average 2,000,000 new babies per year, 20M a decade and most of which are born to unwed mothers… “discouraging tax incentives for parents” If you look at the tax code … Parents have more tax incentives than ever, “encouraged increases in homosexuality,”… yes, because this is something you can encourage..

“adding fertility control agents to the water supply and encouraging women to work”
Um yeah, you have to add something to the water to encourage women to work.

“as well as measures including forced abortion and payments to encourage abortions.”
…yes, because this is what is being done in most industrial countries…

Oy vey, I shall leave you to read their aims and sure you can debunk the rest.


If you believe it, great.. I do not. But if you do .. that of course is your right and no one will try and stop you, well I won’t at least but it

As per the spam…
Spam:
Send the same message indiscriminately to (large numbers of recipients) on the Internet.

Sorry, but you did in fact send the exact text, verbatim, to many people via comments on their me

So, in the future if you wish to address a specific piece, comments are always welcomed but please do not spam my page again.

If that will be all? Good day to you.
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drunkpimp3000 Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I wish I had something substantial to say, but unexpectedly your essay caused me to well up with a lot of emotion. During my teen years I was battling my undiagnosed schizophrenia and deathly afraid that the secret of my homosexuality would come out. After one of my ignorant history teachers went on a 90 minute rant agains gay marriage in a public school classroom, I seriously contemplated suicide. I spent a good many years repressing my feelings and my very being, out of fear that I'd get beaten to an inch of my life by a homophobe or become even more of an outcast. It wasn't till my 20s that I could admit to another living person that I was a homosexual.

I come from central california, which is about the equivalent of the bible belt as far as religious fundamentalism goes. My friend was almost coerced by his parents to undergo ex-gay therapy or be seperated from his family. And his own mother put up a billboard for an anti-marriage proposition in her front yard. His mistreatment makes my blood boil over.

This friend helped me get out an interact with other gays and lesbians, and I frequented a local gay tiki bar where I always felt safe. Last January three gang member identifying as strong Catholics shot him in the thighs and testicles four times, leaving him for dead in this gay bar I frequented. Nobody pressed charges against them out of fear of repercussions, and the attempted murders got away scot free. Since then I've been fearful and paralyzed about going out like I used to. Retreating back into my shell.

Your compassion in taking in a homeless gay kid and doing whatever you could to raise him really touched me. So many people think they're making a difference liking a facebook alert to a progressive cause, but you've gone far and beyond. I wish the world was populated with more like-minded caring people like you. I guess your unusual life experiences may have played a key an gave you a unique perspective. Sorry that I'm rambling, but I felt like I needed to get that out and thank your for taking the effort of writing this.
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drunkpimp3000 Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Excuse me, I made a serious error in my comment I want to correct. A gay relative of mine was shot in the gay bar, a local business man who was in a steady monogamous relationship with his partner. And only survived because the bullets exited through his testicles. I was told that he got 'lucky' for that by someone, rolled my eyes and fumed a little.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Well I am glad that you did not end your life. Not committing suicide is like a big “fuck you” to all of the bigots out there. You tried your best to destroy me, beat me, yet I am still here standing even against the great weight of your societal intolerance and am stronger now due to your bigotry. Never give them the satisfaction of a “win”, they have not earned one and shall never get it easily.

That would really suck. In my “old life” death was nothing new. To get a sense of my “old life” you may want to read [link] here which will give you certain insight about what my old life was. It was a lifestyle of death but never for something as stupid as one’s sexuality.

Well there is no statute of limitations of murder, so if they never actually went to trial but the case was thrown out because of a lack of evidence then there is always a chance in the future, when people get more of a spine and willing to testify that justice will be done.

Do not worry about rambling, I enjoy a well thought out comment versus the usual “cool” or one word comments that I normally get and makes it a bit difficult to know what the person wants. John is still one of my best friends and have had a steady boyfriend for the last 4 years, though I think they have gotten married already or were planning to since NY finally smartened up and saw equality not bigotry is the American ideal and legalized gay marriage.
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drunkpimp3000 Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, that's how I feel about it. 'Fuck You'. I don't need to seek their approval, live or behave the way intolerant people want me to behave. In the end I realize it's my life to live, and I don't want to spend the rest of it hiding in my own skin, regretting what could have been if only I put myself out there. I'm striving for mental freedom if anything.

Your story is intriguing, although vague, makes me glad you accept your mortality and don't chase fake nirvanas to try to find a way to cheat death. We're animated meat now, we'll be dead meat sooner than later, and this little blip is what really counts.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Precisely, does no good to hide who we are to a world that will strike what is different regardless of what it is.

I completely concur, I have died twice in my old life, death has never bothered me, it only hurts the living.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
This is a rather magnificent piece. I grew up in urban Alberta and I can say with confidence that I may have seen at most five gays (at Catholic school ironically) it's a very conservative province and gays and foreigners are now welcome generally.

I've seen Milk, it really rocked. And I love the Bird Cage! Bizzarely enough, Nathan lane reminded me of my mom.

Actually, the first romantic story I ever wrote was a gay romance. It made my father question my sexuality . . . twice, but he told me that I could fall in love with a shot glass and he wouldn't care.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow, five gays, I knew that many by 2nd grade :P I love NYC, partially because of the mixture of conservative and liberal views, gays and straights, many races and cultures...and because this is where the UN is so you get to see presidents from all around the world come here.

lmao @ nathan lane reminded you of your mother. He played his part in that film, did a great job at playing gay.

I did not expect Sean Penn to do such a great job in Milk, but I must say he did an amazing job in the film.

That is great your father is accepting of whatever you do, I do not know your sexuality but if you ever fell in love with a person of the same sex, glad your dad will accept you.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Oh man, New York sounds like a great place :) Alberta is pretty much the whitest province in Canada. When I was competing in national sports, the Ontario team was full of Hispanics, Asians and Afraican Canadians while the Alberta team was as white as a klansman's sheet.

My father is a very traditional man and I think he really wants me to be strait. That said, I'm glad that he's so accepting; especially considering his conservative family background.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Lmao @ white as a Klansman sheets. My high school had very few whites, and when i was little there were no whites in my neighborhood. Whites just started coming to Harlem around mid 90s... that is when you started really seeing them come into the building

That is cool, my mother's family is more of the religious type.. my father family is very diverse so they are use to many religions, sexualities etc... so he does not really care what a person is as long as they carry themselves with respect
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I never even met a black person until I was in sixth grade! How crazy is that?

My father's family are just jerks. One time my grandpa tried to steal chairs from out dining room set and give them to my aunts.

Just two weeks ago he tried to tell me that the Jews own all the world's casino's. My other grandpa is a certified Narcissist who's trying to chea my mother out of money.

Believe me, I can respect differences with family like that. Even if I don't condone such insanity.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Lmao! Wow, that would be freaky to be completely surrounded by only one race for that long.

He tried? SO he was caught?

Lmao really? Native American are the Jew's now? hahaha

I find the insanity entertaining. Especially watching my family with different religions debate
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
It may shock you but I was the one that caught my grandfather trying to steal those chairs. I was only a little kid but I shamed him into not robbing my family of furniture.

As for Native Americans being Jews, my grandpa is going a little psycho in his old age. He grew up and came of age in Nazi-occupied Greece. That's gotta warp anybody's mind.

Funnily enough, there were a lot of Asians at school where I grew up but they were almost entirely girls. And that was the only contact I had with people that dind't look like me for a long time.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Damn, does he have a drug habit or something?

Ah, understandable, I am a mutt so I am part Jew, Russian, German...and other things. I had family that were in the camps..family that was nazis..and my favorite..family that were commies that fought against the nazis. So I like my muttish heritage :P

*grins* Asian girls are attractive
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xDraconianKingx Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
"We must scrupulously guard the civil rights and civil liberties of all our citizens, whatever their background. We must remember that any oppression, any injustice, any hatred, is a wedge designed to attack our civilization." Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

I think people need to chill the hell out with this religious crap of the "sanctity of marriage." I mean if marriage was sacred in this day and age, would we REALLY allow Brittney Spears to get married for 55 hours divorce and get married again? I don't think so. But I will say though, the Westboro Baptist Cult [I REFUSE to call it a church] has actually made themselves a lightning rod for those who support same-sex marriage and equal rights for gays and lesbians. Why? Matthew Shepard is the answer. The Ku Klux Klan sorta provided a lightning rod for African American civil rights by savagely beating a young man to the point his face was basically liquefied. This act actually is what got Martin Luther King Jr. involved in leading the Civil Rights movement.

That thing where the kid was recorded having sex with his boyfriend was actually the big lightning rod for GLBT Civil Rights and God knows the WBC will peg him along with Matthew Shepard as "a sodomite fag" or whatever derogatory name they can call him and tell the world "he is burning in hell."

Which will in turn spark a fierce campaign for civil rights for the GLBT community. I mean, even the most staunch anti-gay marriage people like Jerry Falwell even said the WBC was a hate mongering group.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Great Roosevelt quote. one of my faves.

As per the religious nonsense, I always think of Octave Mirbeau quote
"You’re obliged to pretend respect for people and institutions you think absurd. You live attached in a cowardly fashion to moral and social conventions you despise, condemn and know lack all foundation. It is that permanent contradiction between your ideas and desires and all the dead formalities and vain pretenses of your civilization which makes you sad, troubled and unbalanced. In that intolerable conflict you lose all joy of life and all feeling of personality, because at every moment they suppress and restrain and check the free play of your powers. That’s the poisoned and mortal wound of the civilized world"

I laugh at the sanctity of marriage...so sacred that 54% of them end in divorces...most of those from infidelity.

It is long overdue for gays to be given, I mean gays have been getting thrown out the military since the time of George Washington. When he was a general men were charged with sodomy.. many gays were thrown out but after over 200 years people still want to fight against it.


Have you ever seen this?
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They showed us this in school, well they showed us the entire DVD but it is an amazing clip.
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xDraconianKingx Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Now I love that quote :D

What I've always wondered is, how does a god who loves his children damn them for loving another human being?

I mean, I don't get Don't Ask Don't Tell. If we're Americans then we should be allowed to serve in uniform no matter our sexual preferences.

I gotta say that clip was something of an eye-opener, I didn't really notice the similarities to Nazi Germany's tactics to those of this "NWO" conspiracy. Divide and conquer. And sadly so many people are drinking Alex Jones' kool-aid...
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
I have his quote up on my wall, I enjoy it very much.

Because that same god said it is wrong to take a life, unless they are nonbelievers then it is your duty to kill them...

I have several gay friends in the military, some of their units know and say basically, if you are willing to die for America, you are okay in my book. It is just the older people who have an issue with it.

Of course, I laugh when people say Alex Jones is not about money...all the while he URGES you to buy DVDs' shirts, blah blah blah from what I hear the whole thing is worth millions.
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xDraconianKingx Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
You know, I was listening to an Alex Jones rant and he's bitching and gay and lesbian couples who adopt kids taken from abusive homes. And I'm just like "And....people support this asshole? He talks of freedom and liberty but he has an issue with a gay man or lesbian woman adopting a kid? What the fuck is this?"

I believe there was also a movie about the Vietnam Conflict, R Lee Ermey [one of the greatest actors ever IMO] he was saying "God has a hard-on for the marines!" Yeah... some fancy sky daddy has a hard on for people killing other people when in fact one of the Commandments preaches about not killing. I mean, I believe in God, but my interpretation runs along the principles of laissez-faire. Basically it's Deism, God or the Supreme Architect created all of existence and left it to develop without miracles. I guess....in a way if I had to summarize the Deist Bible, it'd simply be: "Be good. Pass it on." That's all it is, it rejects scripture, miracles, and the like and just simply says "be a good person." And for me it works, it's simple and easy to remember.

Some older people go on to found the Westboro Baptist Cult as well. Yes yes, Fred Phelps has said we're gonna eat our babies because of our sodomite sinful ways. But it's quite funny noting their Hyper-Calvanistic ideals. Basically the world's fucked and yet they keep preaching their bullshit and picketing the funerals of soldiers and those of the GLBT community. I think it's disgusting what they do, and while I normally would be against violating someone's privacy, I think when that old fuck Fred Phelps dies, I'm protesting his funeral telling his family, "Your father/grandfather is burning in Hell now." And saying with that same insufferable smile that Shirley Phelps is notorious for having. Probably the only time I've ever actually sided with Sean Hannity of Faux News on anything, but it utterly astounds me that a group that has such a blatant hatred of their country and the rapidly shrinking freedoms we take for granted all have members of the family [as 85% is the Phelps family.] study law and become lawyers and will READILY run to the First Amendment for their salvation. One of Fred's sons who ran away said once "Why must we turn to the writings of corrupt men for our salvation?" a point that no WBC member has openly addressed.

As for Alex Jones and his money thing, that's one thing that makes my day he actually encourages piracy XD
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
When listening to him he sort of reminds of Rush Limbaugh, or half of the people at Fox with all of the conspiracy theories.

It is no different than the right talking of freedoms and liberties, yet wanting marriage to be only between a man and woman. Who wants gays not to be able to adopt. Who wants to continuous cut funding for education while lowering taxes for big business which would not turn around and produce anything for the country.

I am an atheist so personally have no need for belief in a deity, nor do I want any religious fanaticism to continue to try and dictate the laws of this land...even though I know they will continue to try.

I was watching an interview his son gave, the one he disowned who is now an atheist. HE was speaking of from a young age the children are home taught and taught to take the bible in its literal sense of the word.
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xDraconianKingx Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Definitely, and people who fanatically support Jones are just like the religious kooks out there. You can't argue the points Jones makes, and no one seems to question the man's credibility. I mean, yeah he makes excellent points regarding the banks and so forth, but one can always use the truth to usher out bullshit.

Anyway, I don't see why it's so wrong to ask for people to simply mind their own fucking business and grant equality to people? I mean it's not affecting them directly if inter-racial marriage is allowed or not, it's not affecting them if the black man is shopping in a white neighborhood. It's not affecting the churches if a gay man or lesbian woman wishes to be married.

My ultimate issue with Christianity is that an atheist who demonstrates the qualities of Christian Saint is ultimately worse than the Christian who happens to be a pedophile and a serial killer all because the saintly atheist chooses not to believe in God. Islam I have no real issue with, just the issues that others take with the religion. Judaism isn't an issue for me either, my ex-girlfriend was Jewish, but it was more of a spiritual thing that religious. But, I ultimately don't care about a person's faith because faith doesn't make a good person, their actions make them good or no.

Yeah, and I actually like him because he actually had the courage to leave that lifestyle and ultimately do better for himself. I'm reminded of two House quotes that made my day:

[*] "If you talk to God you're religious, but if God talks to you then you're a nut."

[*] "If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people."
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
I look at Jones as a sort of smaller, Glenn Beck. I laugh at some of their "connections" they find between unrelated things and get people to believe it...and give money to it.

It is too much money to be made opposing people equal rights.

I do not care about faith, I mean my ex [ex only because she died] was a church 3x a week catholic girl. So as I said in several of my pieces in my gallery, if they are using their religion to do good deeds, that is great...yet when they start using it to be bigoted is when I have issues with it.

Ah, I very much enjoy House. Wish all doctors were like that haha
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Rose3212 Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Amazing!
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Hello there comrade, thanks a lot for the fave and glad you enjoyed the road.
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You're welcome!
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YourInnerDemons Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2010  Hobbyist Writer
I'm sorry to hear about your ex. Has John moved out and on his own now?

This just keeps reminding me of my Godfather. His name was Jon and I called him Uncle Jon Jon my entire life. He was gay and died of AIDS last April. And his brother and sister are sucking that well dry of every penny. They were basically his caretakers and treated him like shit. I still regreat not being able to do anything about his situation.

Also, love the films. Before Weasley Snipes was Blade he was Noxeema Jackson. And the Birdcage and RENT, two great ones. Been meaning to see Milke and I should check out this Holiday Heart.

Once again, great one. Really put bigotry in it's place.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Yea, it all turned great.

I do a bit of everything, I do carpentry for fun, and work. With my "old life" I would have had enough money to retire and never work again, so now I work when I want, and donate as much as I can to charities. Even paid for my friends daughter 7,000 medical bill when she needed heart surgery because her insurance would not cover a part of it and they would not do it when she needed it.

Belly dancers are fun to shoot, especially in black and white, unless if they have flames then using just the flames for lighting can get you some amazing shots.
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