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Leftist Pragmatism vs. Rightist Idealism by AtheosEmanon Leftist Pragmatism vs. Rightist Idealism by AtheosEmanon
This is generally my view when it comes to many situations but particularly with this case is about the politics of this country, United States of America:

I am the first to say you should have ideals; idealism is great as long as it is met with some type of pragmatism and a way of achieving your goal.

Idealism + Pragmatism = great.
Simply because your idea may be tough to implement against an overwhelming force, have some type of real plan that would actually satisfy the basic chance of getting it done…

In general, perhaps this is my own personal bias of one of those leftist but with this new breed of conservatives have ideals that are in someway not realistic at all and are not tempered with any type of pragmatic realism… but that does not stop them, they seem to love that.

I fail to see how cutting social programs when 1/6, 50 million of your citizens now live below poverty and ½, 50% of your citizens make just enough money to be broke.
-no one denies that there are abuses in the system, which goes back to my later closing that if you wish for system reform to decrease or eliminate system abuses then I am all for that. Yet I fail to see how completely eliminating a system that people literally depend on just to live is “making lives” better for the people…



I fail to see how cutting all environmental institutions would make our environment better for the people.
-if you can tell how getting rid of institutions that test the toxicity of water, air, dirt… that ensures environments are safe from destruction where rare species may live, that ensure the air that we breath and the water that we drink is as clean as possible is “bad” … for the environment then perhaps I am missing your logic…



I fail to see how allowing gay marriage would somehow weaken the importance.
-I have yet to hear one good argument against gay marriage, I do laugh at it will destroy the idea of marriage… with a 54% divorce rate in this country I doubt it will destroy it any more than the institution of marriage has already been destroyed…


I fail to see how advocating for the abolishment of the minimum wage system which gives the worker a BASIC livable wage is a good thing.
[link]
Going by this chart, the “lowest” minimum wage is $4.00 an hour… if you go by the 40 hour work week…
[Formula used was simply 4[minimum wage pay per hour] x 8 [hours work per day] x 5 [days a week] x 52 [weeks a year]

I would love to hear how $8,320 dollars A YEAR, is “too much” … the state with this as its poverty rate as of 2010 is 15.2% poverty level… which sadly is just 1% less than the 1/6 poverty level of the entire country…

If you can explain, how $8,320 dollars A YEAR, BEFORE TAXES, will support a family and you think this is too much.. Then I would like to hear your alternative…

Using [link] which shows how much taxes each person pays ... a person making $8,320 a year pays 10% in taxes, so right off the top take 832 dollars right off the top which leaves this person with only $7,488 dollars to get through the entire year for rent, food, bills and so on… let us evaluate this $7,488 for the YEAR leaves them with only 624 dollars a month for all of the aforementioned… which is not enough for a family of four.

[understanding they may need government assistance yet this is speaking of if they abolish government assistance and leave minimum wage what the person would have to try and make due with a year….]


The highest minimum wage according to that chart of minimum wage by state is $8.80, while you may say, WOW MORE THAN DOUBLE THE LOWEST!!! GET THEM!! Let us evaluate what is …

[Once again formula used was simply 8.80[minimum wage pay per hour] x 8 [hours work per day] x 5 [days a week] x 52 [weeks a year]

If you can explain how $18,304 dollars is too much for a family to make A YEAR, BEFORE TAXES, and how you think this should be cut.

Once again using www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm which shows much taxes each person pays in according to their income … a person making $18,304 dollars a year is subject to 15% in taxes, which right off the top of their income just take off $2,745.60 which leaves them with $15,558.40 for the entire year. Which leaves them with $1,296.53 per month to live off of…

[understanding they may need government assistance yet this is speaking of if they abolish government assistance and leave minimum wage what the person would have to try and make due with a year….]

NOW!! Look at those amounts per month..
I would also like you to keep in mind that the average family of four spends about 300-500 dollars a month in groceries… so if you slice that off the top, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND I AM SPEAKING OF ONLY IF GOVERNMENT AID IS CUT YET MINIMUM WAGE STAYS IN PLACE.

ALSO KEEP IN MIND, that on average Rent is 1/3 of a family’s yearly income…

I am sorry I fail to see how getting rid of government social programs and getting rid of minimum wage would make life better for those who literally depend on it for their very existence…


I fail to see how raging against health care is better for the people
-when 100-150K people in your nation die each and every year because of a lack of or no medical coverage at all…

Am I the only one who finds 5-7.5% of your national population increase dying every decade because of a lack of medical coverage [The US on average grows about 20 million people a decade, and yet with 1-1.5M people dying each decade because of a lack of medical coverage is something that should be addressed; yet when it is address it is usually opposed by the other side]



I fail to see how continuously cutting education would make it better for everyone.
-Under the Reagan years alone we cut 18.6% out of the department of Education budget.

If you can explain how cutting 18.6% of an education budget while expecting millions of more kids to enter the education system in those 8 years makes it easier. All you are guaranteeing and that is exactly what happen is that the system because less efficient and does not work as well.

Look at our place in the world when we invested heavily in the education system, when we invested heavily in our education system America was in the top ten of all academic subjects worldwide. We use to be great at Math, Reading and science… and now we fall in the 20s and 30s ranges of these subjects on the worldwide scale.


Call me your average leftist, when did taking care of our own become a bad thing to be raged against. My idealism is tempered with my pragmatism that is a simple rule, to each their own while we take care of our own… a simple rule that has the greatest of individual liberty and does not have in one of the richest countries in the world 100-150K of your citizens die from a lack of medical coverage, where your education system is continuous cut and continuous does worse and you cannot see the problem, where you claim a beacon of liberty while denying your citizens that very liberty…

I fail to see how if you got all of your wants, if all government programs were abolished, if minimum wage was abolished, if all environmental programs were abolished, if public education is continuous cut ..or abolished as I have heard some say that they want, if medicare and medicaid are abolished and so on how this will make life better for the citizenry… But that is just me..

I can go on and on about my issues with many conservative views in this nation but I shall stop here, for now, I may or may not update this later or post a part II to this piece covering more subjects….




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Other crap for you to check out & know:
Songs listened to while typing:
Check out my hippie playlist: [link]

Tracy Chapman - talking about a revolution: [link]
Yusuf Islam – Peace Train: [link]
Unknown Artist - Train Roll On: [link]
Nina Simone – I wish I knew how it would feel to be free: [link]
Enigma – Return to Innocence: [link]
The Five Stairsteps – Ooh child: [link]
Michael Jackson – Earth Song: [link]


Other Pieces:
My political ideologies: [link]
Liberals and gun ownership: [link]
Why socialism? [link]

Gay Rights:
Gay rights in America I: [link]
Gay rights in America II: [link]
Debate with an “ex gay” Christian convert: [link]

Influence map: [link]
An atheist on theism & atheism: [link]
Declaration of truth: [link]
What it means to be an atheist: [link]
Atheist leftist answers your questions...:
[link]



I understand my views are not in line with many conservatives, and for that I am quite grateful, I am an unapologetic liberal, I am an unapologetic progressive, I am an unapologetic Democratic Socialist [not democrat] … my ideals I believe to be true for me does not require your admiration nor is it hindered by your denigration. It requires an ideal, a belief of something better and something truthful rather than the simple selfishness of just worrying about yourself and to hell with anyone else. We have never been a nation of selfishness, in fact we are quite giving to other nations… I am just wondering when will we start some of these charitable giving to our own citizens rather than trying to take care of the rest of the world…


In closing I shall just post a few of my favorite quotes and let them stand for themselves..

"Truth never damages a cause that is just."
-Mahatma Gandhi

“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.”
George Bernard Shaw


"I will not attack your doctrines nor your creeds if they accord liberty to me. If they hold thought to be dangerous - if they aver that doubt is a crime, then I attack them one and all, because they enslave the minds of men."
- Robert G Ingersoll


"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties"
- Albert Einstein


"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
-- John Kenneth Galbraith

No sir, it is not a handout, it is a hand up. We are a nation that has never just left our own on the battlefield of life to die. No man, woman, or child shall be left to starve and if… If we ever came to a point when we were willing to sacrifice what is right, for what is profitable then sirs that is the day I decide the people no longer deserve the compassion of liberty and have given up their truthful ideals of justice.
-Emanon [me]

The ideals of children shall be the ideals that govern the future... that is, if not corrupted by the inevitable selfishness of adulthood
-Emanon [me]

Every ideal of liberty has come at the spear of liberal principles practiced.
-Emanon [me]

I like progress too much to be beholden to the chains of the past, the bounds of social regression known as conservatism.
-Emanon [me]

People fear insanity because it is unpredictable, because they often cannot prepare for it and thus it may provoke that dangerous thing of change... or at the very least make us question why we believe what we believe.
-Emanon [me]

Reason is a great thing; if it can be factually supported and humanely applied
-Emanon [me]

None are more blindly determined, than the man that believes himself, to be a winner, while his people continue to suffer.
-Emanon [me]


As always comrades,
Let knowledge be that truth, which portrays humanity, condemns malevolence; that respects the differences in others while abandoning the hatred and misconceptions of the past.
-Emanon
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:iconthemasterbutcher999:
TheMasterButcher999 Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2015
I think you confusing Idealism with Ideology.... Idealism equals believing in your own thoughts... No one is with out it unless they are a mindless drone. Some Conservative authors can identify that Ideology is when you believe in ideas whole heartedly despite not having evidence. I actually feel I am Conservative Progressive like Eisenhower...
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
nope, I meant idealism, not ideology.

Idealism means "the practice of forming or pursuing ideals, especially unrealistically."
I am saying their idealistic wants, are by their very notion unrealistic.. are by their very notion lacking reason and as such are easily debunked by pragmatic ways of looking at a situation.

Both sides have ideological views, as such such is not attributive  just to Conservative thought and while both sides may have idealism as well, it is more often in matters of policy at which idealism of lowering taxes will solve everything , cutting education will help education.

I am not conservative .. I am a liberal as well as a progressive with an economic view of democratic socialism but to each their own
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Komatsuzaki-Xingqi Featured By Owner May 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's so funny, I view liberalism as idealism and conservatism as pragmatism. XD 
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner May 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Liberalism like conservatism are very broad terms that as we leave America especially tend to lose their meanings.. in some countries the "Conservative" Party would be rather liberal and the "Liberal" parties by American standards would seem rather conservative...  .. and in some countries the liberal parties will seem liberal by American standards and the conservative parties will seem rather conservative by American standards.

But, you can of course view it however you wish.  - - which is why I gave a few examples since depending on the issue at hand both can be idealistic in a general sense.
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Komatsuzaki-Xingqi Featured By Owner May 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, I understand that. I was referring to American conservatism and liberalism. Conservatism as in keeping things the same and/or restoring them to their greatness, and liberalism as in liberating the people from themselves via the government, or something. 

That's true. To a conservative like me, liberalism seems to prefer ideology over pragmatism. I'm sure it seems the opposite to liberals. 
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner May 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Am off for the night, have a good one.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner May 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I would push back and say both believe that the government should do what they want..and not do what they do not want. But as with most things, there is no homogeneous view of all conservatives or all liberals even on issues that are generally seen as "liberal" and "conservative" by American standards... many conservatives want the law to state that marriage is between one man and one woman - - while you have another group of conservatives that believes gay marriage should be legal - - which is why when we are discussing liberalism and conservatism I, as I said in this piece and all of pieces speak solely for myself not "all" liberals... but that is why like the piece I generally prefer to take specific issues than say ALL LIBERALS WANT THIS OR ALL CONSERVATIVES WANT THAT.

Not really, I would say some liberals seem to prefer ideology over pragmatism, just like come conservatism seem to prefer ideology over pragmatism.. but most people I would imagine if you sat down and discussed the issues can generally when you set aside merely speaking "as a liberal" or "as a conservative" can generally come to an agreement on most issues ..and if they cannot are usually more than happy to agree to disagree as long as civility remains...

if I opened my comment with OH CONSERVATIVES HATE AMERICA, THEY WANT IT ALL FAIL!!! [As I most often get when debating some conservatives] that would tell you from the start that the person is illogical because they assume or rather seem to assume the most fundamentalist, fringe of a group and use this fringe to make up their view of the entire group. I have many conservative friends that know I am a leftist [liberal, progressive, democratic socialist] and I have many religious friends of liberal and conservative that know I am an agnostic atheist.. but as long as civility remains and I am not telling of a difference I have just because they are conservative or religious [though most of my religious friends and I share the same view with respect to a more secular view of the government]...

I apologize for the long comment, so I will just state that as long as civility is there and without the useless mass generalizations of ALL CONSERVATIVES/LIBERALS think this then I think people can get to the meat on most subjects and cut through the bullshit.
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WrathFan99 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2013  Student General Artist
Hello , my friend . I`m a Pragmatic Democratic Socialist , too ! :)
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:iconatheosemanon:
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:thumbsup: I wish more people were like that!
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:iconwrathfan99:
WrathFan99 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2013  Student General Artist
As do I , dude . As do I . BTW , I`m also a Valentinian Neo-Gnostic Atheist Humanist ( Former Roman Catholic and Libertarian ) .
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Sounds an interesting mixture, I believe I have explained my hm opposition to gnosticism in the realms of theism or atheism in the other reply.

Thanks for the watch and all of the faves
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WrathFan99 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2013  Student General Artist
And , I have replied back on why I believe Agnosticism is far intellectually inferior to Gnosticism when it comes to epistemological and philosophical formulae . Gnosticism may be less comfortable than Agnosticism but in my view it is far more intellectually honest to keep seeking knowledge than to give up the search halfway through .
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Your belief is fine, sir, we all are able to believe in whatever we wish. I have made it clear from the inception of my premise that we all choose the path that best fits us and that path is a path to be walked alone.. and changed when one sees it no longer believes in such a path…

If you believe one is “intellectually inferior” because it disagrees with your premise, that is fine, I find such illogical but that is of course fine when using historical and etymological understanding of terms.

Yes, and if it is merely in your view then that is fine, but I see none in a true sense when utilized by its historical and etymological paths to be less “inferior” then the claim of knowledge where one lacks that knowledge.
.. your premise or understanding of agnosticism is one who does not seek.. which even in the time of Christian Mysticism that was never what the term meant..

But as stated, you have your view and that is fine.
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lisa-im-laerm Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
yes, it does :(
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:iconatheosemanon:
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you for the fave, why the sad face?
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:iconlisa-im-laerm:
lisa-im-laerm Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
how can you know that, with my face? It is natural, don't worry ;)
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:iconatheosemanon:
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
haha, oh okay :) good day
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Salinger1 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2012
were you in occupy?
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:iconatheosemanon:
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Been down there, do support the movement.. but no, I have not actually been "in occupy" or slept overnight in the park or a home which is what I am assuming you are asking me.
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Salinger1 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2012
I did the same, i thought they were doing something useless. I hope we can debate.

Liberal VS Libertarianism.

BTW, what do you think about the Ron Paul Movement and Libertarianism in General (Hayek, Mises institute, CATO)
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:iconatheosemanon:
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You hope we can debate what exactly, sir?

I have no issue with debating but I am not into a pointless debate or a pissing match, if you are asking my views on something and I give it okay without the, no you hate America etc etc etc.

For me, while I agree with some of the things he says but I do not see myself ever voting for him, I am not a libertarian nor do I agree with much of the libertarian stances on many a subjects.

I am also not a "free market" guy in the sense of get rid of all regulations and that somehow will solve everything. They have their view on how to solve things, and I have mine.. if their view gains ground, okay, not as if that will automatically change my view but each individual has to choose their own ideological views in life.

... Though, I must ask exactly the purpose of your "hoping" that we can debate, exactly dear sir, what are you trying to gain from this hope?
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:iconmike-the-cat:
Mike-the-cat Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You have it backwards, my good sir. Conservatives are all about sticking with what works, and liberals are all about hopeless idealism.
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grievousfan Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Student General Artist
Actually;
Conservatives are all about sticking with the way things worked back in the day, no matter how different things are now and how many people are crying for a change.

Liberals are all about changing America for the better.

Do some research before politic-ing :dummy:
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:iconmike-the-cat:
Mike-the-cat Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm a libertarian conservative. I support change when it is necessary, and I support keeping the status quo when it is necessary. I'm more conservative than liberal, and most conservatives I know are the same way.
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grievousfan Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Student General Artist
Do you think change is necessary right now, though? Because the majority of libertarians I've come across think it's been necessary for a while :XD:
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:iconmike-the-cat:
Mike-the-cat Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
When it comes to "change", that's complicated. That has to do with specific issues.
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:icongrievousfan:
grievousfan Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Student General Artist
I mean the issues which liberals support but most of the conservatives don't. Gay marriage, abortion...basically anything that goes against Christian beliefs :roll:
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:iconsalinger1:
Salinger1 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2012
Gay Marriage and Abortion are the two Stupidest issues crafted to distract the people. Hell, even ron paul supporters (me) aren't immune to it. I am a Libertarian and a lot of Libertarians are social conservatives and traditional Squares (they just don't use Government coercion or force) to achieve those goals. People have the right to do whatever they want, as long as it is not hurting me.

Ron Paul 2012.
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:icongrievousfan:
grievousfan Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2012  Student General Artist
I really hope Ron Paul wins. If only so the Constitution will still have any meaning at all :grump:
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:iconatheosemanon:
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I guess that is why they advocate for Reaganomics which according to Reagan's own economic adviser Bruce Bartlett that the Republican Budget will not work, and that Reagan's policy would not work and was never intended to be implemented as long that is why under Reagan you had the highest debt and deficit by percentage hike in US history.

What is that liberals are advocating for that is idealistic? ... History shows us that when you invest heavily in your education system overtime you have lower unemployment rates, you have lower people dependent on welfare and you have a much more intelligent populace which brings about innovative measures.

As a nation we spend 40K on average per inmate, yet we only spend around 9,300 per student.. What do we hear from the conservative heads of the GOP... particularly those running for office? One wants to abolish the DOE, the other three wish to cut funds to it.. when we should be investing more in it, not cutting from it.
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:iconuhanekahu:
uhanekahu Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2012
My rock beats your scissors.
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:iconatheosemanon:
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
But not paper...
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:iconuhanekahu:
uhanekahu Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2012
No. Not since the Geneva convention took that away from me. Bastards.
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:iconatheosemanon:
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I just checked out your page. Lmao, you say please don't thank me for the fave and they still thank you. Perhaps they should read the page before commenting :thumbsup:
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uhanekahu Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2012
You literally made a single tear come to my eye. I feel validated. And also safe in faving this. <3 <3 <3
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:iconatheosemanon:
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Cool Zelda and Cloud [Final Fantasy] faves as well.. I have not played Final Fantasy in years.
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uhanekahu Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2012
I've actually only played Crisis Core (god I love Zack, so much). It's sad, really, I only just got a ps3 a few weeks ago...the last system I got before that was an N64...I have a lot of catching up to do XD
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
lmao, yes you do.

The last Final Fantasy game I played was FF X-2, so I am behind like 3 or 4 games.

I have not played Crisis Core, what is it about?
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:iconangrypufferfish:
AngryPufferfish Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2012
......The lowest minimum wage in the United States is 4 dollars? O_o
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:iconatheosemanon:
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
[link]

Yup, using this link which shows the minimum wages of all states... Montana has a 4.00 minimum. Yet when this was written it was still December 31st, as of January 1st, 2012 Montana's new minimum wage is 7.65 yet to be fair I used what was the lowest minimum wage 4.00 as well as the highest minimum wage 8.80 so people would not say I just chose the lowest minimum wage and did not be fair and show the highest.

So I did try to be fair and show both sides of the highest and lowest minimum wages.
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:iconangrypufferfish:
AngryPufferfish Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2012
I don't know I guess I'm just shocked by how low those numbers are. I live in Canada and I'm so used to hearing about how much better it is in the United States and how you guys live much betters lives and earn more money and luxuries or how my country is so improvised in contrast. Guess I feel kind of like I've been overhyped after reading all of that.
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:iconatheosemanon:
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah you have, as well as in America 100-150K people die each year from a lack of medical insurance, everyone there is insured. Also in America we have another 100K dying from medical mistakes.. so every decade we have 2.5 million people dying every decade which is about the amount of New Citizens Canadians get a decade.... so think of all of the new citizens Canada gets in a Decade

In 1997 Canada had 29,907,172 citizens
In 2007 Canada had 32,976,026 citizens

So that is 3,068,854 new citizens you got in ten years..so imagine if 2.5 million of that died in that time span... in America we have 20 million new citizen every decade..so about 10% of the new populace are dying from a lack of medical coverage and simple mistakes.

While depending on the province the local + federal taxes will be much higher, when comparing simply the federal level America has a higher tax rate..


[link]
If you look at this, Canada is also WAY better than America when it comes to education. Because Canada actually invests in education where has since Reagan [who cut 20% of the school budget] we have overall been under funding the Education system... and we wonder why our students are in such distress and the system is failing.

... there are many things where Canadians fair better at America at.
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:iconangrypufferfish:
AngryPufferfish Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012
Ha, I kind of already knew about the education thing. I have no idea why but it's always been one of those things that really gets 'pushed' in terms of focus and priority.

Not only that but...I don't want to sound too preachy or offensive but the Canadian public education is straight froward and brutally honest when it comes to how the country is founded and our less 'pleasant' history. I took history for all four years of high school and all of the text books I received were damn honest about everything that went on. I knew about the way that the indigenous populations were treated. I knew that during WW1 a lot of nasty things happened to German-Canadian citizens. I knew that in WW2 we took people of Japanese descent and locked them up for no damn good reason. Nothing was hidden or misrepresented. If anything there were chapters dedicated entirely to those subjects and class discussions about the issue. I don't understand why people in the United States are in favour of censoring or removing huge chunks of history from their own textbooks. I just can't understand how that's supposed to be helpful...
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:iconatheosemanon:
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually if you look pre-Reagan era America was actually pretty much tied with Canada in several Academic subjects. But Reagan started our great educational decline. He cut 20% off the Department of Education budget, even though in those 8 years millions of more kids went into the education system. Basically making them do more with less and that started our great Decline. Pre-Reagan era when America invested heavily in education we were in the top 10 of all Academic subjects world wide.

The same can be said of our education policy, Carter started putting solar panels on federal buildings and invested in green energy, when Reagan got in he shut down that program which sent many of our scientist to China... now 20 years later thanks to our technology China gets 20% of its energy from renewable energy and we are nowhere near that.

I do not see how that is too preachy of offensive since our history books already speak of his the native americans were treated by settlers, killed off and so on.

As well as our history books do not hide what was done to our Asian citizens during those times. Did you think our books hid those things?
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Belthazorfan26 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2012
I think pragmatism should drive our policies not someone's ideology.
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:iconatheosemanon:
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I completely agree, thanks for the fave!
...sadly though many are set in their ideological views and refuse to allow anything resembling logic to enter that train of thought.
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Belthazorfan26 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2012
NP!
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xDraconianKingx Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
"If you want to make enemies. Try to change something." - President Woodrow Wilson

That's about all that can be said. :/
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:iconatheosemanon:
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
An amazing quote, thank you sir for the comment and for the fave. They were both very much appreciated.

I almost did not post this because I had wrote like three pages and comp completely crashed so of what I could remember was only about 2 pages hm but came out okay.
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xDraconianKingx Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Not a problem, too often are we afraid of change. Yeah it'll be bumpy, but achieving the dream is often worth the sacrifice I think. But that's just the ideals of a man who adores the concept of transhumanism speaking.

I think it turned out great :)
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