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Not Anti-Family by AtheosEmanon Not Anti-Family by AtheosEmanon
I saw a religious person post a stamp that said “I ‘m pro-family, not anti-gay”

Which made me think of this photo: [link]

So figured I would do my, the straight guy who supports gay rights, version of it. .. meant to be satire, somewhat.

I know plenty of gays, several of whom have been in relationships longer than I have even been alive and are great parents and have strong families to their kids.

The American psychological association has done a study that has shown that there are no negative differences between a child raised by gay parents when compared to a kid raised by straight parents
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Don’t know what else to put here…

Here are some other posts in my gallery that will tell my views or things I have written regarding homosexuality.
Gay Rights in America: [link]

Gay Rights in America II: [link]


Gay Debate with an ex-gay, born again Christian: [link]


Other pieces that may interest you [the reader]:
An atheist on theism + atheism: [link]

What it means to be an atheist: [link]

Those that influence me: [link]


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Okay am done.


As always comrades,
Let knowledge be that truth, which portrays humanity, condemns malevolence; that respects the differences in others while abandoning the hatred and misconceptions of the past.
-Emanon



…back to the cave I go
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:iconcommander-dominic:
Commander-Dominic Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2015
Agreed.
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:iconatheosemanon:
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
:thumbsup: thanks for the fave
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:iconcommander-dominic:
Commander-Dominic Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2015
Your welcome.
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VikingPoneSwordsgirl Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
What about, I'm pro-gay and pro-family?!

Seriously I don't know why I have to choose between loving homosexuals or loving the concept of the family. It's all love...just in different forms. One familial and one romantic. I don't get this whole argument over who is more important, especially in politics and it's driving me crazy. Obviously romance and family are apples and oranges. You can't compare them in the first place, and one can cause the other, but they are not extricably linked. Also just because I hold liberal beliefs people accuse me of not caring about family, responsibility and I'd rather go party with lesbian or gay crossdressers. That's not true...I like babysitting as much as I'd want to go out on the town with a gay BFF. The problem with politics sometimes is it does work on stupid stereotypes. Also people keep forgetting that a lot of gays and lesbians want children with their significant others and are usually able to adopt now...so families can happen between LGBT couples.  
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist

Who said one had to choose? Nowhere in the stamp did I say anyone had to choose.

I am unsure if you read the artist comment section but this stamp was in reply to a stamp that said they were pro family not anti gay in relation to why they oppose gay rights.. so my stamp in response to that said I am pro-gay not anti family to show that one can be both not against family and still be pro gays and gay rights.

 

The stamp does not say one or the other is more important….

 

Well one can compare them and it is a reasonable comparison to the romance or relationship of the parents and the bond in the family but this stamp spoke nothing of that.

 

I am very liberal and progressive, and anyone who accuses me of such is usually of an opinion of which I hold no respect for anyway as such their claim of my view on family is held to the high esteem, to be crude, of a bowel movement.

 

… partying with a lesbian or gay cross-dresser sounds a fun party,

 

Yes, many gay and lesbian couples adopt kids where they are able and make great parents and the kids are no less more messed up than those raised by heterosexual couples.

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VikingPoneSwordsgirl Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Lol sorry...I meant that as rhetorical, not aimed at you. I kind of want to make a stamp saying that. In the meantime, I agree with yours.

I know.


I am very liberal and progressive, and anyone who accuses me of such is usually of an opinion of which I hold no respect for anyway as such their claim of my view on family is held to the high esteem, to be crude, of a bowel movement.

 

… partying with a lesbian or gay cross-dresser sounds a fun party,

 

Yes, many gay and lesbian couples adopt kids where they are able and make great parents and the kids are no less more messed up than those raised by heterosexual couples.



Lol yeah...I just think it makes no sense. Where does it come from, the whole "you're for family or you're for homosexuality"?

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Yeah, the ironic thing about some "pro-family" types is that they are only pro-biological straight family...and they want everyone to give their unwanted children up for adoption then start arguing that adoptive family isn't as good as bio family...wha??? Why can't we just let everyone marry and let gays adopt? What is this rocket science? Lol
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah, my apologies then.

I would imagine it comes from biblical times where they believed if you condoned the sinner that at times you are just as bad as the sinner.. so they would often have you kick out relatives who turned their back on god aka did not believe or believed in a "different god" aka different faith. and as such since you are supposed to, according to the bible, kill people who have gay sex I guess that must means if you are not killing them then you are condoning them and as such if you are condoning such then you allow a threat to your family or some nonsense like hat..

Science is of course evil and must be destroyed.. I kid. But yes, to them their arguments rarely make sense, DO NOT ABORT, ADOPT!!! um okay.. and even though not enough people in general are adopting they would appear to then rather that the child remain in foster care system rather than be adopted to a gay couple for some asinine reason..
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Weegeetnik Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Same-sex couples with children are families too.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree
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The-Conquerors Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
You could also make the argument that you are preventing a future family, therefore anti-family. ~ C
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Only if you believe that family is only the kids you have.. vs an archaic view of family which was more of a "community" vs simply your own offspring....

Though even taking your view of "preventing a future family"... there are things called adoption, in vitro fertilization etc so if they wanted kids, and if you denote family as parents and their kids.. thus being pro gay is not then being anti family.
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The-Conquerors Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
thus being pro gay is not then being anti family.

Exactly. ~ C
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
:thumbsup:
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Rodegas Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2014
More like a faggot xD

Good old communist days when propagating it was forbidden!!
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
hm, huh?
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:iconrodegas:
Rodegas Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2014
Homosexsuals were forbiden in comunism (it was/is considered as disease/ brain malfunction).
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Edited Aug 13, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
For some it was.. Marx said little about it, while Engels spoke against it... Lenin decriminalized it and Stalin criminalized it again ... Depending on the school or person of thought.. it is either condemned, or accepted... such is life.

I would ask, sir, what does communism have to do with the image or anything stated in the artist comment?
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Rodegas Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2014
Ummm, You won this time!!
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
:thumbsup: Have a great day
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sakpalamey Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I say anti-feminist  is not anti-female. What's your view?
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I would need clarification on what one means by anti-feminist?
There is anti-feminist in a hm Taliban way which believe women should not be educated, believe they, in most cases should not work, should not exhibit any trait of belief she is equal to that of a male..I would say that is rather anti-female.

I would need clarification of what one means by anti-femnist - - if they take the view that woman are inferior, and should not be given the equal opportunities and rights as her male counterparts - -then I would question whether or not they wish for the female to have a lot in life that is not tied to a male...
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sakpalamey Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
By anti-feminist, I mean taking a stand against so-called positive discrimination like anti-stalking law and biased divorce law we have in India, which is clearly populist vote-bank politics.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I cannot speak to Indian law - but I am unsure what feminism would have to do with "positive discrimination" - - it is similar to Affirmative Action laws in America I would imagine where we try to diversify our businesses and markets after centuries of mistreatment of one particular group - - America is not yet there yet - - but it is getting better.

Might I ask you what is "positive discrimination" with respect to an anti-stalking law?
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sakpalamey Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Positive discrimination, I mean reservation policies. Here, they do it for ensuring political win in elections, not for real welfare of people.
No, it has nothing to do with anti stalking law, nevermind. But I observe that divorce laws are being misused. Is it same there?
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Might I get an example so that I could better understand what you are referring to with respect to the "positive discrimination" and its link to feminism?

I would also need an example of what you mean by "misused"? In what way are they being misused then I can say whether or not it is similar/same here?
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sakpalamey Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Forget about positive discrimination.
Well, the government wooes women voters by declaring reservation on eve of election. But the policies are never implemented once a party comes to power. This happens with all other proposals and so fundamental facilities like education, food, water and electricity doesn't reach common people. People have lost faith in democracy.
Stalking for first time is bailable offence. Second time invites jail term. It is biased and leaves men powerless. There have been instances when women have misused this law.
Divorce law which is currently being passed states that women acquire 50% of their husband's private property along with alimony. Women along with their lawyers are deliberately stalling cases till the law is passed. Do you think it's fair?
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
How do they woo women voters, and are the alternatives offering better things or worse. because  when it comes to politics the people will often vote for that which they believe will harm less vs condemn more.  If the people do not get active in their political structures, then they will get what they continue to get. The people, if they truly feel so passionate about such should mobilize, organize and try to place candidates up, and elect candidates that would hold to the view of the issues that are important to the people.

Well women misuse of the law does not show any connection to feminism, which is why I am unsure how wanting equity in a social order aka feminism..and a woman lying about something are linked together?

In America the law is very similar, for a first offense a person may get a slap on the risk, a second offense may invite jail time etc.. but in America, men and women have lied about being stalked, so I do not see it as an issue with "feminism".



Your ending premise also makes me question the use of feminism in the context of marriage laws. In America we have these things called prenups that if they agree before hand I keep what I had before, and you keep what youhad before - - sometimes they would also come up with an alimony structure if the person is wealthy such as.. you will get 100K per year of marriage to be paid in a divorce - - I just looked up your law and your law has similar contractual prenups but they are void if the party commits an immoral act such as cheating...

So fair in what context? In America if someone is married without a prenup, then upon their divorce the accounts, property are split 50/50 among the divorcing parties - - generally more wealthy people or even not so wealthy people get prenups - - so it is not about fair or unfair, it is perhaps about India catching up with other countries that utilize prenups as a normal course of marriage which protects or can protect both parties in the event of a divorce.

- - Question, if the woman has more money and she gets a divorce and the husband wants 50% I assume of course one would find that just as "unfair" as they do with a woman wanting or being allowed according to Indian law to half of the estate.

So, the terms in these cases of this being feminism is greatly misused... If we wish to discuss feminism in a society we must pit against the notions of equality vs equity vs justice.

... and relate that to the gender roles, and how the laws are in favor ... we can look at the past 20 years or so where in India violence against women has not been addressed as well as it should be and perhaps the nation should truly address a realistic feminism stance.
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ChaoticDarkAngel Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2013   Writer

Agreed completley.

 

I see nothing wrong if two men or two women marry one another. It doesn't affect my life or my family's life. Love is love no matter if people are the same gender or not.

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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I completely agree, while I will never marry... I do not care if two men or two women wish to get married...

While you often hear the right say this will lead to polygamy and bestiality being legalized, which makes me laugh... yeah two humans having sex is the same as human and animal sex [PLEASE FORGET KY LAW!!!!! which when they legalized sodomy aka anal sex they also legalized bestiality ..... was both a gay rights landmark and a showing ignorance ...]  ...

[Though I admit I am in the minority in that I would have no issue if polygamy was legalized]
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ChaoticDarkAngel Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2013   Writer

I'm not sure if I will someday, but even if I do I know gay marriage won't affect my marriage at all.

 

Oh gosh I know ^^; Beastality and polygamy are two totally different topics here. Nothing to do with homosexuality what so ever. You know some people even think gay people shouldn't adopt children because they are worried the child will 'become' gay themselves? That is a bogus reason to not allow gays to adopt. You can't just 'become' gay either. I don't know how but you just can't.

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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I am sure, NY has gay marriage now so I have been to several weddings of gay and lesbian friends since we legalized it in NYC..and about 8 or 9 in other states that have it.. I never saw the point of marriage, my grandparents were together for over50 years and never married because it was illegal for them to marry ...

My parents have now been together going on 38 years and have never been married...

Yup, but under Kentucky law... they had the "buggery" aka anal sex law in the same law as the bestiality law. So when they repealed their sodomy law, it also of course legalized bestiality .. what I am more entertainingly laughs about is it has been 20 years and not one!!!!! democrat or Republican has put forth a bill to make just bestiality illegal..so in KY bestiality is technically legal since they have no law saying it is illegal...

I know, which is why I liked on this piece the APA study which showed that there is no correlation between gay parents and gay children.. look at Dan Savage.. his son is straight,,,
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ChaoticDarkAngel Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2013   Writer
Ah well that's good ^^ I hope someday people will wake up and realize gay marriage really isn't harming anything or anyone. Dan Savage? I've never heard of him but that's proof that not all children adopted by homosexual parents will be gay themselves.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
never heard of Dan Savage? He is the man who started the "It gets better" Campaign ... and writes a lot on gay issues, has been on Bill Maher's show several times.
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ChaoticDarkAngel Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2013   Writer
Ohhhh I see ^^; Ah I should've known .//. Kind of slow at these things sorry.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:P no problem, I have followed his stuff for years so that is how I know him
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randomfandom22 Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012
I've seen a lot of your stamps, I love and support them all.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you very much, glad that you enjoy them!
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GrayStar51 Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I agree, there is nothing wrong with two men or women raising children. But think of how it makes the child feel when they learn that'll their friends have normal parents. And don't hit me with the "love is love" slogan. It's unnatural, liberal thinking that goes against 500,000 years of life. Think about it. How can two men and two women have children in the first place? How can that be? I know you are all going to slam me for this, because everytime I express my feelings, I get trash talked by everyone, but when you talk about your opinions I keep my mouth shut. Now, if you have an honest, polite, educated opinion, I would love to hear it because Im a debater, it's what I love to do.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
That of course depends on your idea of "normal" What constitutes normal to you, does not necessary constitute what is normal to me. If I were to live my life going by the definitions of normality based solely on the views of societal group thought or the minds of others, then normality would have no set of scale; no way of measuring to one set standard.

For me, a guy who grew up in New York, traveled to many countries from a young age to now, seeing gay parents, is normal, does not require a second glance. What is not “normal” for me is the 400K kids in the foster care system, or the additional 20K+ that will enter that system, amidst states that will not require a person to adopt them not because they do not meet any economic or safety standards, but because their idea of what is normal does not meet the inevitable future and present mind of youth of normality.

It has very little to do with “liberal thinking” There are liberals against gay marriage , and there are conservatives for gay marriage … as there are liberals who believe that a child is best raised by a man and a woman only… and there are conservatives who are more than okay with a two man or two female parental unit.

… your premise is flawed, stating procreation equals automatically the way a child should be raised does not meet the sniff test. Sterile people cannot have kids, should we now outlaw them from adopting of having contact with kids because they, going by your premise of procreation, cannot meet your requirement for parental care…. That of course may work under the premise that ability to have kids makes one suitable for parenthood….

It has nothing to do with “slamming you” I am merely addressing your questions the best way I know how.

A bit unsure where the 500,000 years of life come into place, are you speaking of merely humans which only trace our origins back 195K years, or animals in general of which, many species do of course have sex for procreation but very few actually raise the offspring together, if at all..

I have no issue with debating, but we must understand that an opinion is not a fact. I am not trying to change your mind, your opinion is your opinion and you are of course entitled to that, as I am entitled to my own opinion.
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GrayStar51 Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I do not agree in the least, but a very persuasive argument. Touché.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:thumbsup:
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RapidEyeMovement-14 Featured By Owner May 16, 2012   Artist
THIS. Just THIS. :iconyeahplz: I'd like to collect some of these stats and show them to the bigots running my school.

Also, that comic is 100% on the money.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner May 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks for the watch, the fave of this and the fave of the sorry theist piece, very much appreciated.
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RapidEyeMovement-14 Featured By Owner May 16, 2012   Artist
You're welcome.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I love this one :)

And it's true, in no way does a family two same sex parents provide worse parenting than one with hetero mix parents.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks man!

Yup, doctors agree that being raised by gays has no negative effects than being raised by straights. They did say that children who are raised by gays tend to be more tolerant to homosexuals, and are not so afraid of different religious or social lifestyles. But I do not see how that is a bad thing.
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drunkpimp3000 Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
There are far more negative effects caused by parents who treat their gay or lesbian kids like total shit for who they are, but I guess that dehumanizing treatment is condoned in society.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Yup, especially in a society where the gays seems to be, along with the Muslims the accepted punching bag. Such a shame we live in a society of stupidity and willful ignorance.

thank you for the fave of the I love to masturbate stamp as well.
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drunkpimp3000 Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
jerking off is one of my great joys in life. I'd suffer the slings and arrows of carpel tunnel syndrome just to get off with the aid of deviant artists everywhere. Thank you for willing this provocative stamp into existence.:)
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Lmao. masturbation is a favored hobby and must be done as often as possible when sex is not on the menu for that night haha
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