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I always find the idea of “pro-life” being against abortion being legal and “pro-choice” for it being legal as a viable choice of the mother to be entertaining.

For me, I believe the idea is not prochoice and prolife, it is prochoice and antichoice, because the idea that of the name prolife .. it implies that the other person is antilife, which could not be further from the truth.

Particularly on the conservative fringe in America who may take it to such an extreme, they claim pro-life, yet want to get rid of welfare programs for the poor, want to get rid of minimum wage because they believe these people make too much

[IF YOU MAKE THE MINIMUM WAGE OF 7.25 AN HOUR, FOR A 40 HOUR WORK WEEK YOU ARE ONLY MAKING $13,920 BUCKS FOR THE YEAR, if someone can show me how someone can make it on 13,920 bucks a year .. and take care of a family they may have..]

They wish to beat down the education system more and more…

What is it that our history and the history of nations tell us? When you invest in your education system you will see LESS people on governmental programs, the higher the education the more money you make over your lifespan, the better your education the better of a chance that you would not be a burden on the system…

What is it that our history tells us, poverty begets crime, this has been true for centuries, this is not to say that if you are poor you will commit crime, but it is true that in poorer areas of the world, or this country you will have a higher crime rate…..

The same people who wish to cut all social safety nets, cut education, cut all environmental agencies,

As George Carlin said in his video: [link]
Transcript here: … or you can just watch the video.

Why, why, why, why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn’t want to fuck in the first place, huh? Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren’t they? They’re all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you’re born, you’re on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don’t want to know about you. They don’t want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you’re pre-born, you’re fine; if you’re preschool, you’re fucked.

Conservatives don’t give a shit about you until you reach “military age”. Then they think you are just fine. Just what they’ve been looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. Pro-life… pro-life… These people aren’t pro-life, they’re killing doctors! What kind of pro-life is that? What, they’ll do anything they can to save a fetus but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it?They’re not pro-life. You know what they are? They’re anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don’t like them. They don’t like women.They believe a woman’s primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state.

Pro-life… You don’t see many of these white anti-abortion women volunteering to have any black fetuses transplanted into their uterus’s, do you? No, you don’t see them adopting a whole lot of crack babies, do you? No, that might be something Christ would do. And, you won’t see a lot of these pro-life people dousing themselves in kerosene and lighting themselves on fire. You know, morally committed religious people in South Vietnam knew how to stage a goddamn demonstration, didn’t they?! They knew how to put on a fucking protest. Light yourself on FIRE!! C’mon, you moral crusaders, let’s see a little smoke. To match that fire in your belly.

Here’s another question I have: how come when it’s us, it’s an abortion, and when it’s a chicken, it’s an omelet? Are we so much better than chickens all of a sudden? When did this happen, that we passed chickens in goodness? Name six ways we’re better than chickens… See, nobody can do it! You know why? ‘Cuz chickens are decent people. You don’t see chickens hanging around in drug gangs, do you? No, you don’t see a chicken strapping some guy to a chair and hooking up his nuts to a car battery, do you? When’s the last chicken you heard about came home from work and beat the shit out of his hen, huh? Doesn’t happen. ‘Cuz chickens are decent people.

But let’s get back to this abortion shit. Now, is a fetus a human being? This seems to be the central question. Well, if a fetus is a human being, how come the census doesn’t count them? If a fetus is a human being, how come when there’s a miscarriage they don’t have a funeral? If a fetus is a human being, how come people say “we have two children and one on the way” instead of saying “we have three children?” People say life begins at conception, I say life began about a billion years ago and it’s a continuous process. Continuous, just keeps rolling along. Rolling, rolling, rolling along.

And say you know something? Listen, you can go back further than that. What about the carbon atoms? Hah? Human life could not exist without carbon. So is it just possible that maybe we shouldn’t be burning all this coal? Just looking for a little consistency here in these anti-abortion arguments. See the really hardcore people will tell you life begins at fertilization. Fertilization, when the sperm fertilizes the egg. Which is usually a few moments after the man says “Gee, honey, I was going to pull out but the phone rang and it startled me.” Fertilization. Source: LYBIO.net

But even after the egg is fertilized, it’s still six or seven days before it reaches the uterus and pregnancy begins, and not every egg makes it that far. Eighty percent of a woman’s fertilized eggs are rinsed and flushed out of her body once a month during those delightful few days she has. They wind up on sanitary napkins, and yet they are fertilized eggs. So basically what these anti-abortion people are telling us is that any woman who’s had more than more than one period is a serial killer! Consistency. Consistency. Hey, hey, if they really want to get serious, what about all the sperm that are wasted when the state executes a condemned man, one of these pro-life guys who’s watching cums in his pants, huh? Here’s a guy standing over there with his jockey shorts full of little Vinnies and Debbies, and nobody’s saying a word to the guy. Not every ejaculation deserves a name.

Now, speaking of consistency, Catholics, which I was until I reached the age of reason, Catholics and other Christians are against abortions, and they’re against homosexuals. Well who has less abortions than homosexuals?! Leave these fucking people alone, for Christ sakes! Here is an entire class of people guaranteed never to have an abortion! And the Catholics and Christians are just tossing them aside! You’d think they’d make natural allies. Go look for consistency in religion. And speaking of my friends the Catholics, when John Cardinal O’Connor of New York and some of these other Cardinals and Bishops have experienced their first pregnancies and their first labor pains and they’ve raised a couple of children on minimum wage, then I’ll be glad to hear what they have to say about abortion. I’m sure it’ll be interesting. Enlightening, too. But, in the meantime what they ought to be doing is telling these priests who took a vow of chastity to keep their hands off the altar boys! Keep your hands to yourself, Father! You know? When Jesus said “Suffer the little children come unto me”, that’s not what he was talking about!

So you know what I tell these anti-abortion people? I say “Hey. Hey. If you think a fetus is more important that a woman, try getting a fetus to wash the shit stains out of your underwear. For no pay and no pension.” I tell them “Think of an abortion as term limits. That’s all it is. Biological term limits.

But you know, the longer you listen to this abortion debate, the more you hear this phrase “sanctity of life”. You’ve heard that. Sanctity of life. You believe in it? Personally, I think it’s a bunch of shit. Well, I mean, life is sacred? Who said so? God? Hey, if you read history, you realize that God is one of the leading causes of death. Has been for thousands of years. Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Christians all taking turns killing each other ‘cuz God told them it was a good idea. The sword of God, the blood of the land, vengeance is mine. Millions of dead motherfuckers. Millions of dead motherfuckers all because they gave the wrong answer to the God question. “You believe in God?” “No.” *Pdoom*. Dead. “You believe in God?” “Yes.” “You believe in my God? “No.” *Poom*. Dead. “My God has a bigger dick than your God!” Thousands of years. Thousands of years, and all the best wars, too. The bloodiest, most brutal wars fought, all based on religious hatred. Which is fine with me. Hey, any time a bunch of holy people want to kill each other I’m a happy guy.

But don’t be giving me all this shit about the sanctity of life. I mean, even if there were such a thing, I don’t think it’s something you can blame on God. No, you know where the sanctity of life came from? We made it up. You know why? ‘Cuz we’re alive. Self-interest. Living people have a strong interest in promoting the idea that somehow life is sacred. You don’t see Abbott and Costello running around, talking about this shit, do you? We’re not hearing a whole lot from Mussolini on the subject. What’s the latest from JFK? Not a goddamn thing. ‘Cuz JFK, Mussolini and Abbott and Costello are fucking dead. They’re fucking dead. And dead people give less than a shit about the sanctity of life. Only living people care about it so the whole thing grows out of a completely biased point of view. It’s a self serving, man-made bullshit story.

It’s one of these things we tell ourselves so we’ll feel noble. Life is sacred. Makes you feel noble. Well let me ask you this: if everything that ever lived is dead, and everything alive is gonna die, where does the sacred part come in? I’m having trouble with that. ‘Cuz, I mean, even with all this stuff we preach about the sanctity of life, we don’t practice it. We don’t practice it. Look at what we’d kill: Mosquitoes and flies. ‘Cuz they’re pests. Lions and tigers. ‘Cuz it’s fun! Chickens and pigs. ‘Cuz we’re hungry. Pheasants and quails. ‘Cuz it’s fun. And we’re hungry. And people. We kill people… ‘Cuz they’re pests. And it’s fun!

And you might have noticed something else. The sanctity of life doesn’t seem to apply to cancer cells, does it? You rarely see a bumper sticker that says “Save the tumors.”. Or “I brake for advanced melanoma.”. No, viruses, mold, mildew, maggots, fungus, weeds, E. Coli bacteria, the crabs. Nothing sacred about those things. So at best the sanctity of life is kind of a selective thing. We get to choose which forms of life we feel are sacred, and we get to kill the rest. Pretty neat deal, huh? You know how we got it? We made the whole fucking thing up! Made it up! The same way… Thank you.


Yet doing what we know works to better the quality of life of people, and lessen the burden on the nation is what I promote.. I did not see any reason to write a whole bunch, if you look at the pieces linked below they go MUCH MORE in depth…



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Other pieces to check out:
American is not number 1: [link]

Anti-American Me: [link]
Not fiscally conservative, fiscally pragmatic [link]
Leftist Pragmatism vs. Rightist Idealism [link]
My political ideologies: [link]
Liberals and gun ownership: [link]
Why socialism? [link]
Pure socialism vs democratic socialism [link]


Gay Rights:
Gay rights in America I: [link]
Gay rights in America II: [link]
Debate with an “ex gay” Christian convert: [link]
Gay is the New Black. my opinion: [link]

Influence map: [link]
An atheist on theism & atheism: [link]
Declaration of truth: [link]
What it means to be an atheist: [link]
Atheist leftist answers your questions...:
[link]
An atheist debates an atheist on theism: [link]

Abortion pieces:
[main piece] Abortion: [link]
Abortion stamp 1: [link]
Abortion stamp 2: [link]

Check my gallery for other pieces.

As always comrades,
Let knowledge be that truth, which portrays humanity, condemns malevolence; that respects the differences in others while abandoning the hatred and misconceptions of the past.
-Emanon
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AClockworkKitten Featured By Owner Edited Jan 4, 2015  Student Digital Artist
"Pro-life…? You don’t see many of these white anti-abortion women volunteering to have any black fetuses transplanted into their uterus’s, do you? No, you don’t see them adopting a whole lot of crack babies, do you No, that might be something Christ would do."

Are you?  If you're not, then don't act all high and mighty.

"And, you won’t see a lot of these pro-life people dousing themselves in kerosene and lighting themselves on fire. You know, morally committed religious people in South Vietnam knew how to stage a goddamn demonstration, didn’t they?! They knew how to put on a fucking protest. Light yourself on FIRE!! C’mon, you moral crusaders, let’s see a little smoke. To match that fire in your belly."

That's stupid.

"Here’s another question I have: how come when it’s us, it’s an abortion, and when it’s a chicken, it’s an omelet? Are we so much better than chickens all of a sudden? When did this happen, that we passed chickens in goodness? Name six ways we’re better than chickens… See, nobody can do it! You know why? ‘Cuz chickens are decent people. You don’t see chickens hanging around in drug gangs, do you? No, you don’t see a chicken strapping some guy to a chair and hooking up his nuts to a car battery, do you? When’s the last chicken you heard about came home from work and beat the shit out of his hen, huh? Doesn’t happen. ‘Cuz chickens are decent people."

Well sorry for putting chickens before people.  Jesus.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
"Are you?  If you're not, then don't act all high and mighty."
I do not have a uterus hm and pretty sure George Carlin also did not have a uterus - interesting if he did.. I have adopted none, nor did Carlin. Though he was referring to a story going on at the time of a group of religious people that were protesting an abortion clinic which generally was used in an area with high drug usage of which many of these women were using drugs. He was saying that the people protesting was saying DO NOT ABORT, WE WILL ADOPT THEM!!... but that you did not see many of them adopting the kids that were in the system with these same issues.


"That's stupid."
I would say more of a joke than stupid since your entire reply of course was from a general figure of speech of "fire in the belly" and his using that to speak of other fundies from around the world.

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Well sorry for putting chickens before people.  Jesus."
Jesus put chickens before people?  Or are you saying that you place chickens before people?...
It is better of course read in the context of the piece rather than a few sentences. He speaks to the point of how many pro life people are pro death penalty ..  to which would appear more anti abortion than pro life...


 - - - - - - -  -thanks for the fave of the heterosexual sapiosexual stamp.
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AClockworkKitten Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2015  Student Digital Artist
I'm embarrassed now.

Still it seems a bit hypocritical for a pro-choicer (I'm neutral/pro-choice) to look down on pro-lifers that don't adopt when they don't either.

I didn't know that.  

Ah.

I didn't know this was a George Carlin quote.  I only read bits and pieces.  I'm sorry.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
It is not hypocritical to tell people  that they should adopt after they put on protests telling people DO NOT ABORT, WE WILL ADOPT!
It is not hypocritical to then wonder why they have not adopted people

To be a hypocrite is saying something should or should not be done and doing the opposite. Carlin was merely marking upon an interesting news story that was a somewhat National Story at the time of these people that were protesting a particular clinic in I forget which state telling people that they will adopt the kids and not then adopting them... Carlin, like myself was pro choice... I am unsure how  in your case one can be both Neutral and take a side.. you are pro choice.. that is a side so I am unsure how you are also then neutral which is the not taking of a side.

look at the artist comments
"As George Carlin said in his video: [link]
Transcript here: … or you can just watch the video."

the entire bold text was from a George Carlin Skit.. none of the bold text were my words - - they were Carlin's words.


..no need to apologize.
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MantaTheMisukitty Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is pretty much exactly, what I think too :o
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
:thumbsup: thanks for the fave.
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Mike-the-cat Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Pro quality of life. Because it's perfectly acceptable to selfishly take another's life for the sake of your own quality of life. A++ material.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Given your premise that of course depends on your situation.

As previous pieces stated I would much rather they abort the child than to sexually or physically abuse that child throughout their life.

Then you have some people who are okay with certain exceptions, rape and life of the mother - - with respect to your premise - of sake of the mother, then even the most conservative of states allow this exception in most medical operations if nothing can be done and there is no spouse around ...


While I am in favor of abortion remaining legal and doing whatever is possible from sex education, to ease availability of contraceptives etc to decrease the amount of abortions done - - you don't, which is fine, everyone will have their own view on any given situation - - such is life.
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Mike-the-cat Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Over 93% of all abortions are due to reasons that were easily preventable, or because convenience matters more than innocent lives. Birth control is inexpensive, even without the government's help. Your point?

Has it ever occurred to you that pragmatism can be and has been taken to unethical lengths?
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Mike-the-cat Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It says a lot about your lifestyle when you can't comprehend the idea of abstaining.
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HarmonyThroughAnime Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013
 abstinence only doesn't work. Schools that teach abstinence only sex ed have a higher rate of teenage pregnancy. Not to mention sex has health benefits, and what about sexual assault? in the us alone There is an average of 237,868 victims (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual assault each year. 
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Mike-the-cat Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Maybe teaching kids to eat right, and stigmatizing fad diets, steroids, laxatives, and emetics contributes to higher obesity?

Only a libtard can believe that correlation proves causation.
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HarmonyThroughAnime Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013
please do not use slurs in this debate and political argument If you need I can direct you to a few articles on how abstinence only programs that are taught in schools have a higher rate of teenage pregnancy and how sex ed programs that teach you to use as many contraceptives  as possible during intercourse has a larger increase in that rate. I know you don't agree with abortion  that's fine you don't have to have one but outlawing it won't solve the problem
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
My point is very simple, easily available contraceptives is quite different from costs which I did not mention in my piece. With respect to cost that of course is a matter of socioeconomic level, is it not.. Birth control depending on the type can cost from 20-75 bucks a month, which for your average middle class person does not sound like a lot. But for the lower class family barely making ends meet a $250-1000 bucks a year is a great deal to them.

With respect to my reply to you, who mention government, not I.. With respect to government, since you wish to mention them, I am all for public schools having an in depth sex education plan, which has been shown once implemented for a few years to decrease abortion rates, teenage pregnancy rates and child bearing rates . conversely, we can look at states like Texas, which has many problems but when they started cutting sex ed out of their schools saw a great increase after a short time to teen pregnancy and abortion rates.. Texas 1/50th of countries yet account for 8-9% of abortions in America.

Now, there are things we can do as a country other than say, abortion is wrong and stop the talking point there - - or things to attempt to decrease the number of abortions that are done... some states and parties have their own way of doing such, some have different views, such is life.. but doing nothing does not seem to be an option regardless of the side you are on.

Yes, I am aware that pragmatism can lead to unethical means if allowed by the individual to carry them to that extent.
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Mike-the-cat Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That by itself isn't really good enough. Why not regulate abortion the same way liberals insist on regulating more mundane things? Stigmatize it? It seems like a lot of liberals don't value freedom unless it involves taking a life. Screw the freedom to have your taxes go where you want them to go, screw the freedom to bear arms, screw due process and the right to not bear the brunt of the government's wrath, screw the fact that citizens can be assassinated without much of a good reason, that drone strikes are a very real threat......It's freedom of infanticide that truly matters. :V
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Will be off for a few hours, so will address your reply in a few hours when I return, have a good day until then.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
We do not already regulate abortion?

Well I try not to go on the partisan or ideological craziness of generalizing things based on a side, I cannot speak to what most liberals do since most liberals do not live in America, and those that do I can assure that I have not spoken to anywhere near every one of them to know exactly what each of them would do to generalize about them as a whole. I assume, neither have you.

Whose idea of freedom are we speaking of? Freedom depending on the topic means different things for different people, be it abortion, gay marry, education, etc.. depending on the subject both sides will have their own view on a topic, and believe in their view as they should. That to me, even to those I disagree does not mean that they do not value some generalized idea of "freedom" but perhaps their idea of such may be different from my own.

As I said before, not to you to someone else, I think left and right want the same things, a strong yet not overbearing government, a sound economy, a strong military, little governmental waste, a strong health care system etc etc etc now, how they want to get there is where they tend to differ - - -that to me does not mean they do not value freedom as you say - but they have a different way to go about how they wish to go to their idea of "freedom".

With respect to guns, or taxes, I have not spoken to most liberals to get a consensus of what "liberals" in a general view may way. With respect to guns, as the piece I posted an hour or so on guns says, my view on guns differs some from more of my left and right leaning friends, such is life as I said to you earlier, people will have their own view on things are are more entitled to their own opinions on issues.

It's freedom of infanticide that you choose to focus on, many a pieces in my gallery on abortion, education, civil rights, conservatism, liberalism, some tax policy, some health care, environmental, gay rights, in fact with respect to my gallery as a whole, you for some reason chose this piece, I do not know why, perhaps you saw someone that faved it and checked it out, or it showed randomly on a search you were doing etc but either way this is the piece you chose to come to.. only you of course know the reason why.

As I said, everyone is entitled to their own view, my view on some subjects may be similar to yours and on others may be different, that to me does not mean you do not value freedom, quite the contrary that you value it but have a different means of getting there, such is life, sir.

People will have different views on many a things, we can either harp on it as they do not value freedom!!!! simply because they may not agree with you does not mean they lack an appreciation for freedom...

Will that be all, or is there more in which you wish to discuss?
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Sunjinjo Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
That speech is brutal and I love it because it's all true. Great stamp, I hope it turns a few heads!
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:thumbsup: thanks, yeah Carlin was always good with words.
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Petit-Hibou Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I guess with pro-choice and pro-life (Or as you call it, anti-choice), it's more on what you feel in your gut.
When I think of abortions, my stomach curls. I just can't imagine having the choice of whether a child dies or not. Sure, if it was rape, that's a whole new level.
But if it's someone that just doesn't want have the responsibility, and was their fault because they didn't use protection, and THEN they do the type of abortion where when the head is out, they crush the skull. Just....doesn't sit right with me.
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OurHandOfSorrow Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
So you'd force a whole load of responsibility of looking after a CHILD onto someone who's birth control failed/got drunk and forgot to use protection/whatever?

A child is not like looking after a pet or a toy, you're looking after a whole new person until they are 18+ years old.

Most abortions happen during the first trimester, where the embryo is too small for there to be any crushing. Intact dilation and extraction abortions happen for medical reasons only. And they were made illegal in 2003, so I don't know what you're crying about.
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Petit-Hibou Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
There's something called adoption. To give that child to a couple that can't have children. Instead of just taking the child's life.

Don't talk to me like I'm saying it's a pet or a toy. I can stay calm for a lot of stuff, but when someone says that to me, I'm a little mad. I'll try to stay calm. Okay, if I were against abortion, then why on Earth, would I think that the small precious baby/fetus, was a pet?

And I know. I can understand an abortion if it's the last choice left, but some people choice it before they even give thought.

I'm sorry if I sound angry while writing this, but I can't help it. Please forgive me for it.
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OurHandOfSorrow Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Adoption is not the solution to an unwanted pregnancy, it's the solution to an unwanted child.

Then stop talking like it is.

No, no woman chooses abortion like they choose what knickers to put on in the morning. It is an extremely difficult decision and should be between her and her doctor. Not you, not your doctor, not your government not anyone.
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Petit-Hibou Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Plenty of people want a child. What's better, giving the child to a person that can't have one, or killing it?

Fine.

Let me say, does it make sense that my government trials a drunk driver, that killed a woman who was let's say, 4 weeks pregnant, as double homicide? Yet the doctor isn't trialed for aborting someone's child?
Abortion is something that in your mind, you have to think about it. I've thought about it, and that's how I feel about the subject. It may changed in the future, because I'm still young, but that's how I feel now.
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OurHandOfSorrow Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
If those people really did want a child, they can adopt one of the MILLIONS of children who are waiting to be adopted right now.

That's a strawman argument, it's just the US being a load of idiots thinking that a 4 week old embryo is a person. I'm so thankful my government is smarter than that.
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Petit-Hibou Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
If only if only.

If you're calling my government an idiot, then why are you here? This is an issue that the American people are debating on. Your government may have already resolved this issue, but we haven't.
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OurHandOfSorrow Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Then why are you expecting women to forcefully give birth for them? Why can't they just go adopt a kid instead of just expecting one fresh out of the womb?

I'm here because I stand up for women's rights. And yes, I am calling your government idiots. Personhood Amendment, anyone?
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I think it is more of what you feel policy should be, if someone was personally "pro-life" and that was it I do not personally think anyone would care, just as if someone is pro-choice and that was just it then I do not think anyone would much care. But when they wish to influence policy to try and outlaw abortions as an option and then wish to also cut funds to foster care system, education system, welfare etc.. it sends, in my view a counterproductive message.

I am not saying that all people who refer to themselves as "pro-life" wish to do these things, but I am speaking of the policy makers, who refer to themselves as such, and who wish to do all of these things.

... which is something I disagree with on the premise, so abortion is okay in some cases and not others? I, with due respect, never understood that. LIFE IS SACRED!!! NEVER KILL A CHILD AKA LUMP OF CELLS... but if you are rape I am okay with that exception, as if you are raped that life holds less value in the eyes of the so called pro life person.

Well late term abortions, which is what you describe make up for less than 2% of all abortions, and are mostly done when the life of the mother is in jeopardy. MOST abortions happen within the first trimester before the skull officially forms and hardens ...
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Petit-Hibou Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Life to me is precious, and if someone wants to take that away, it's wrong in my eyes. I understand people have different opinions, but I won't be changed. I'm sorry.
And what you said about the rape issue, does that mean any other woman can hold less value in their eyes of a child?
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
No where did I try to change your views, I was more-so tackling the usual "Exception" I often hear from pro-life people of... if you laid down and had sex that life is precious and should not be destroyed... but if you were raped I understand, does "that life" become less precious because of a rape? How does one judge the value of a life, are the means the fetus comes about makes it more or less valuable?

"does that mean any other woman can hold less value in their eyes of a child?"
A woman has the eyes of a child? I do not understand what you are asking here. "any woman can hold less value in their eyes of a child"
Perhaps it is the way you worded it and when you fix it, I will be more than happy to try and answer what you asking; once I understand what you asking.
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Bjork-Anaiiz Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
George is my inspiration. He takes no bull and keeps it real. I Those who get offended by his comedy are a bunch of p*ssies and can't handle the truth.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks for the fave, I completely agree with you, he was amazing. He died just before politics got fun [2008].. I would love to see what he would have said at the current state of politics.
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KnoFear Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Student Writer
:iconyeahplz: George Carlin certainly knew what he was talking about. And thank you for submitting to the right gallery folder; at least someone knows the rules.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Carlin died right before politics got fun... what he would say to the way politics is now would be a show for the ages I am sure...

Thanks for the fave.
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KnoFear Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Student Writer
On the contrary, he was around for one of the longest and most important political periods: the Cold War. I was sad to see him go, but at least I know his words live on.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
yeah, but I would love to see what he would have to say about what is going on in Washington now..
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KnoFear Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Student Writer
We all would. It would be a massacre of words for the ages.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
lmao :thumbsup:
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babycherries Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012
so much win. :)
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
thanks for the fave, Carlin is the man
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babycherries Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012
i just started watching some of his stuff on youtube. o.o hes smart
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
yes! and he died in 2008, right before American politics got interesting.
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babycherries Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012
he should be brought back o.o like a zombie or something
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
lmao, Zombie Carlin haha coming to a theater near you
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babycherries Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012
that would be amazing o.o :iconzombieplz:
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
hahah de-worm him!
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JediSenshi Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
I could hear his voice while reading that.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Carlin is the man :P I read it..while watching the video.. haha
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Ratchet-Halo Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
If you wanna think about it from a different angle, I think being pro-choice from another interpretation means you are pro civil choice or something. not just on abortion.
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