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This is America -  Love it or Change it by AtheosEmanon This is America -  Love it or Change it by AtheosEmanon
One of the stupidest things I tend to hear from many people whenever you question a policy or law is “THIS IS AMERICA, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT” when you love something you do not simply leave it.

While I did this stamp for a generalized idiocy of that saying, I would say if every time someone had an issue with a policy or law and simply chose to leave rather than advocating the changing, reforming or abolishing that law then we would still be back with the same ways that we were at our founding, and … chains + me + working in the fields as property for 16 hours a day is not exactly my idea of liberty.

When you love something you do not leave it, you work hard to change that thing which you believe to be in the way of your view of what liberty is. Be it the abolishment of slavery, the right for women to vote, the right for blacks to vote, the right for gays to have the right to marry as their heterosexual counterparts and so on…whatever you deem important and believe would be for the betterment of the country is what you should fight for to change the status quo of perceived apathetic views of rationed liberty.

I know many would have views that they believe will be for the betterment for the country while from my view I may believe would be terrible for the country, yet that is the beauty of a Democratic Republic [aka Constitutional Republic] as we have, you have the right to speak your business, if the idea makes sense perhaps more people will come to your side of thinking until you make up a small force of people wishing to change a law or policy…and once you have this perhaps enough people will pay attention to change the policy or laws that you want. If not, then that too is a part of a Democratic Republic, simply because you have an idea, even if you are in a majority does not mean that the rights or ideas of others must be superseded to your wants…

I cannot fathom to think what the country would be like if every time someone in history from Paine to King, from Jefferson to Rustin, from Washington to Debs, from Deborah Samson [woman who disguised herself as a man to fight in the revolutionary war because she felt that is what she needed to do to change the direction of the country] to Rosa Parks and the many others who have come before, and since… looked at injustice and social woes of man and rather than said… well I do not love this so I must simply leave it.. placed their lives on the line to fight the injustice of their day.. either with the gun, the sword, the pen, the internet or whatever tool you use to get your point across... what this nation would look like, a cesspool of accepted bigotry, sexism, racism, slavery… so no, I say this is America, if you love it you won’t leave it!

Change can either be good or bad, ideas can either be good or bad yet saying be apathetic to the woes of man or leave a place in my mind makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

As always, my pieces are spoken by me and are only the opinion of mine.

… Goes back to my liberal, progressive, democratic socialist cave.




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Credits and Additions:
Songs listened to while typing
Check out my hippie playlist atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…

Tracy Chapman: Talking about a revolution: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rZbvi…
Lisa Gerrard: Now we are free: www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnPzR1…
Yusuf Islam: Peace Train: www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlHOV5…


Other pieces to check out:
Not fiscally conservative, fiscally pragmatic atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Leftist Pragmatism vs. Rightist Idealism atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
My political ideologies: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Liberals and gun ownership: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Why socialism? atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Pure socialism vs democratic socialism atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…


Gay Rights:
Gay rights in America I: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Gay rights in America II: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Debate with an “ex gay” Christian convert: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…

Influence map: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
An atheist on theism & atheism: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Declaration of truth: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
What it means to be an atheist: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Atheist leftist answers your questions...:
atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
An atheist debates an atheist on theism: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…

Abortion pieces:
[main piece] Abortion: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Abortion stamp 1: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Abortion stamp 2: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…

Check my gallery for other pieces.

As always comrades,
Let knowledge be that truth, which portrays humanity, condemns malevolence; that respects the differences in others while abandoning the hatred and misconceptions of the past.
-Emanon
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The-Conquerors Featured By Owner Edited Nov 3, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
We all want the same thing more or less. To live or life in peace, to be protected, to have fun, and to have a nice family. The only problem is that our goals of how to get their are vastly different and that's what divides us. ~ C
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I would disagree with the "we all" and the mores and less are very wide apart in connection with the "we all" some want absolute socialism, some want communism, some want full capitalism, some want a mixture of the two...some want neither...

eh... to some people peace is too much for them to take and unconditional, and perpetual war is more to their liking...

... the roads are different because for many the goals are vastly different
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:iconthe-conquerors:
The-Conquerors Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I will admit I am a fan of war over peace. ~ C
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:iconatheosemanon:
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
War serves a purpose... if man's only goal is war then that would lead to his own inevitable defeat.
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The-Conquerors Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Well at least you know it serves a purpose. That's better than those who think all war will magically disappear one day. I'm sad to say we are stuck with it. ~ C
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I have yet to meet anyone I admit who believe each and every single war is pointless or have yet to meet a pacifist who cannot even in their own mind think of some circumstances in which conflict might be necessary.

Man is greedy, and because we are animals, we tend to also be quite territorial ... terrible combination.
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:iconthe-conquerors:
The-Conquerors Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
This ^ my thoughts in a nutshell. ~ C
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
:thumbsup:
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Fujin777 Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Love this stamp.
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:iconatheosemanon:
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
:thumbsup: thanks for the fave..
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Fujin777 Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Thank you.
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Nero--Angelo Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I honestly had an awesome idea.  change the money to "In Allah we trust" on year to see how much all the people that argue for the "In God we trust" thing react CX
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
lmao!!! say hey!!! it still says in god we trust.. just using a different word for god.. bwhaha they will say ban it
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methodfordisaster Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013
Arguing that you have to love a country or get out of it is  like saying if you start a fire in the kitchen you should just leave the house instead of searching for a fire extinguisher. -_-
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LookAtMyLittlePoneh Featured By Owner May 19, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I love that! I like some things about my country but I can recognize that it has some deep seated social justice issues.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Lmao, hey!! start a fire and then leave to the bedroom.. bwhaah I did like your analogy
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Blackwidina Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I adore this. I've had *so* much anger at the educational system here that I decided to get my degree as a teacher, then teach in Japan (whose system I think has a lot of merit,) and THEN come back and see if I can use what I learned there to change the system here.

My mom used the 'love it or leave it' line on me, but I can't stand the thought of my daughter's generation of children and beyond struggling under No Child Left Behind.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
..oh and thanks for the fave
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with you, that is why when I wrote this here [link] all of the social programs I would implement/reform, I got rid of social promotion because No child left behind leaves everyone behind if you have a kid who has been moved on just because of his or her age.. yet who does not understand the subject as the rest of the kids in the class.
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RhetoricHaystack Featured By Owner May 21, 2012  Professional General Artist
fantastic stamp. very complete despite being so brief....it evokes a great feeling. great job!
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:iconatheosemanon:
AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner May 22, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
First I wish to thank you for the fave!

Thank you for your compliment of the stamp as well! :)
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zane1193 Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012
REAL Americans are working to do just that.We've got to vote the Obamassiah out of office in 2012,if not,America is finished.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
"Real Americans"..yes, meaning only those you agree with. I am sorry I do not live in your fantasy world where only people who agree with me are real Americans. Because I understand that REAL AMERICANS, come from a diverse backgrounds, different religious and ideological beliefs and that does not make them any less of an American.
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zane1193 Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012
Sigh...still serving the same old Lib Leftovers.Anything new?

Why do you people always try to divide and instigate?

Why are you so Bitter?

Why are you so filled with Hate?

Why do you Hate America?
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Let us see if you can answer your own questions with my views?
".still serving the same old Lib Leftovers.Anything new?"
Do you have anything new other than the same old liberal indoctrination?

"Why do you people always try to divide and instigate? "
What people? Where am I trying to divide and instigate, if you cannot come to the fact that people in America have different views then you only have yourself to blame for your ignorance.

"Why are you so Bitter? "
I am not, you seem to be.. Which makes your conspiracies so entertaining.

"Why are you so filled with Hate?"
Prove your claim..where did I utter anything hate filled?

"Why do you Hate America?"
Do prove your claim of my hatred of America..

I know you will not address these questions, which makes your conspiracies funny. You have talking points.... that is all.
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zane1193 Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012
1.The Trayvon Martin case is a prime example of instigation and division.The Media smeared Mr.Zimmerman from the get go.The pics they released of Trayvon were when he was 12yrs old,not the 6ft 3 teen he was.

2.Michael Savage posted on his website last week that the Media ALTERED the video of Mr.Zimmerman so they could claim he wasn't injured.Days afterward the media released a new version sowing he WAS injured!

3.No,you support a Leftist Regime in America and the decline of it's morals by supporting the Homosexual Agenda.

4.The Dogma you preach is as venomous as anything rev.Wright has spewed from the pulpit!

5.See 3 & 4.

Again with the PERCEIVED sense of superiority? Don't you get tired of servingb these same old bland lib leftovers?

More Kool-Aid?
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
1. Do show me where I have used the Trayvon Martin case for instigation and division? You cannot, you use generalized views of those who may be liberal, and for some reason you come to my page and say you liberals this and that. So, ... if you cannot show me something that I have actually said that promoted instigation and division, is there really a point to your coming to my page every few months?

2. So Michael Savage posted something on his page about the media...and your first thought was to go to Emanon's page and then speak of liberals this and that? Once again, what does some media outlet doing or not doing something have to do with me? Do you have something that I have actually done with respect to the Zimmerman police tape that you wish to discuss with me? OR rather than writing those media outlets... you therefore somehow blame all liberals for it? .. That is not logically sound, sir.

3. I support the "Leftists Regime in America"
Sir, which regime is this? You know my views, so under your conspiratorial surreality, all liberals are a part of some collective regime. One again sir, do you show me something I have actually done?

... I support the "homosexual agenda" if by agenda you mean my believing what two consenting adults do, with respect to their sex life and marriage should not be under the lawful eye of the government, then yes, I support that agenda.

4. What "dogma" do I preach that is "as venomous as anything rev.Wright has spewed from the pulpit!" ... this will be interesting when you answer it..

5.. .I did see them and they were entertaining.

.. again with the perceived sense of superiority. .. I shall only assume you have an inferiority complex since I have asked several times and you have not addressed it.
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zane1193 Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012
1.Yes,I did,and,I spoke truthfully on that issue.

2.Again with the OVERBLOWN sense of importance and the PERCEIVED sense of superiority? You were FAR from the 1st person I talked with concerning this case.I merely wanted to see how you felt about it.BTW,way to dodge my question!

3.LOL.Your Journals and artwork speak for themselves.

LOL.You've never had a problem admitting you support the Homosexual DEATHSTYLE.It's destroying America though.

4.Again see your artwork and journals.

5.good! Maybe you'll learn something!

Again,see 2nd #1 and #4 in my journal.
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CommandirBalalaika Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013
So letting two adults be together is destroying your beloved country? That makes your country sound rather weak. If allowing two consenting adults can break your country apart like you seem to think it is, then I hate to say it, but your country is screwed.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
“1.Yes,I did,and,I spoke truthfully on that issue.”
Once again, since you seem to have a reading comprehension problem.

-Do show me where I have used the Trayvon Martin case for instigation and division? You cannot, you use generalized views of those who may be liberal, and for some reason you come to my page and say you liberals this and that. So, ... if you cannot show me something that I have actually said that promoted instigation and division, is there really a point to your coming to my page every few months?

“Again with the OVERBLOWN sense of importance and the PERCEIVED sense of superiority?”
Um, that is not a question…

“You were FAR from the 1st person I talked with concerning this case.”
Does not matter who else you have talked to, if you are going to make an assumption on my views, it would behoove you to have something that I said to back it up.

“I merely wanted to see how you felt about it.BTW,way to dodge my question!”
You said “2.Michael Savage posted on his website last week that the Media ALTERED the video of Mr.Zimmerman so they could claim he wasn't injured.Days afterward the media released a new version sowing he WAS injured!”

Which is not a question, So what question did I dodge when you asked no question? Hm

“OL.Your Journals and artwork speak for themselves.”
Then go these journals and artworks and speak of them, … that would serve you better and save us both time on your conspiracies of leftists and authoritarian regimes….

“You've never had a problem admitting you support the Homosexual DEATHSTYLE.”
Deathstyle, how original sir.

“It's destroying America though.”
Can you prove your claim? Or is this another talking point which you are known for?


“4.Again see your artwork and journals.”

Again… go these journals and artworks and speak of them, … that would serve you better and save us both time on your conspiracies of leftists and authoritarian regimes….


“good! Maybe you'll learn something!”
Learn something from

“3.No,you support a Leftist Regime in America and the decline of it's morals by supporting the Homosexual Agenda.

4.The Dogma you preach is as venomous as anything rev.Wright has spewed from the pulpit!”


Hn, you forget your own talking points, I see.


Again, if you have something to say to me, then go to my piece. My reading your generalized conspiratorial government of those evil leftists and how they want to destroy your idea of America does not say much as to what you have an issue with what I have said and/or done.
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Inemiset Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Your stamp was featured here: [link]
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you very much, I am glad you enjoyed the stamp.
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Inemiset Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
My pleasure :la:
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2012
Change it...for better or worse?
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
If it isn't old comrade; If you had read it then your question would have been answered.

Good, bad, are matters of subjective perspective and impossible to be universally objective.
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2012
Sooo...when it came to slavery, for example, whose side was right? Those who believed it to be the natural order of things or those who thought it was immoral? If good and bad are simply dependent on one's POV, how do you decide which POV takes precedence?
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
“when it came to slavery, for example, whose side was right?”
A general observation to whose aim?

From my perspective the North was right, but from the perspective of some still in the south the North and the government should not have interfered in the laws of the given states that had not yet abolished such an act.

“Those who believed it to be the natural order of things or those who thought it was immoral?”
Since you are asking me from my perspective, right and wrong are thus only from my perspective which is subjective as it will change depending on who you ask, it is not an objective argument based on the inferiority or superiority when you are speaking of the mindset of men.

“If good and bad are simply dependent on one's POV”
With respect to politics, which was your premise of your first comment of the changing of America, its social and political ties, good and bad would be based upon one’s POV. You and I have debated before, things I advocate for you are completely against. Politics will never be an objective thing where all who fall under one banner agrees objectively on all subjects.

“how do you decide which POV takes precedence?”
This would of course depends on several things, the particular subject, the state of affairs, does it harm or jeopardize the lives of others or is it something as mundane when compared to that such as a stop sign… a general question cannot be answered when the core point would be the specifics of said desired law, or agenda.

I am sure you will come back, you always do that is part of the thing that makes you interesting to debate. I await your answer, and hopefully we will not drive down that slippery conspiracy driven slope as when we debates socialism.
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012
I'm actually going to save myself the headache, considering a man of reason cannot debate anything with a person who believes everything is subjective and thus can allegedly change with the wind. Reality, which is objective and doesn't give a damn about your POV, will do the work of showing you the folly of your thinking.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Reading comprehension issues?
Do show me anywhere where I have said “everything is subjective” if you are going to lie about my views at least pin point to where you inferred such a lie from.

What I have said, social and moral views are subjective since depending on your part of the country, or the world what is perfectly morally or socially acceptable here, would be different than someplace else.

I’ll wait for you to show where I have ever said that “everything is subjective

“Reality, which is objective”
Reality… hm that of course depend on whose perspective of the given subject of reality we are going by.

“doesn't give a damn about your POV”
I would beg to differ, because reality may be a torrid thing, yet many settled truths have been changed.”

“will do the work of showing you the folly of your thinking.”
Interesting, you said the same thing before.. that reality will show me the errors of my ways and yet…. Every few months you come back to try to show me the errors of my ways.

Always the entertaining little partisan, I await for you to answer.. though since you said you will save yourself the headache.. like a rat to a trap you rarely resist a chance to spread your views.

Good day, sir.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Now this is what I call an enlightened position
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Glad you enjoyed it, and also thanks for the fave of it.
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ilikecustard Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2012
Absolutely true.
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AtheosEmanon Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks, glad that you enjoyed it.
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